The Balloon Boy Saga: Fact or Fiction?

Dive into the captivating world of the Balloon Boy Hoax with Tanya and Erin.

 In this episode, they unravel the layers of this sensational event that gripped global audiences in 2009. 

Explore the Heaney family's eccentric dynamics, the media's role in amplifying the story, and the lasting impact of this bizarre incident. Perfect for true crime enthusiasts and anyone curious about one of the most talked-about hoaxes of the decade. 

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You are listening to Wicked Psychotherapists, a podcast where two psychotherapists show you that taking care of and learning about mental health doesn't have to be wicked hat. Hey guys, this is Tanya. Hi, it's Erin and welcome to Wicked Psychotherapist. Yeah, welcome. So we are steering sharply off course from our Adam verse this week. So we will be visiting just a whole new realm. I don't even know what category this is in, honestly. Yeah. Um, maybe sensationalism or something, I don't know. But we're gonna be looking at the Netflix, almost at HBO, the Netflix series train wrecked. Um, if you've heard of it, it has like different stories of different kind of sensational events that happened and the one we're focusing on today is Balloon Boy. So Yeah, because we thought that some things to discuss in there. It's an interesting story, so. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny'cause we, we, it's gonna say it's funny'cause we both saw it and we're like, okay, remember when this happened? That kind of get got us off of the atom. Train for a minute on this. Yeah, we kind of started just chatting about that. Yeah. Yeah. So this, this happened back in 2009, so it was a while ago, and we, we both remembered when it, when it happened and it was big news. but if you are not familiar with this, uh, you know, we'll just give a little brief background. Mm-hmm. so there was a family, the Heni family, made up of Richard, the father. I think his name is Richard. Oh man, Richard. I know that the wife's name is Mayumi. I remember MA's name. I don't remember his name. I think it's Richard. I don't know. I tried looking it up. I couldn't find it. So yeah, for some reason I'm thinking Richard, I guess he's just gonna be called Richard in this. I don't know. But the dad, he's very eccentric, Mayumi and like, they kind of seem to be. On the same wavelength with their parenting. They have three young boys at this time, 2009, Brad Rio and Falcon. Falcon, which Falcon is, plays a big part. He's the, the youngest one. Um, he's about six at this time. And so I guess Dad, is he, he has appeared on. Wife swap a couple of times, which we can talk about a little bit later. But he's, he's kind of known to be a very eccentric character. He's got very strong opinions. The way he expresses himself is kind of unique. How, how would you, how would you characterize the dad and I keep saying the dad'cause I cannot remember his name. Yeah. I mean, I, I think he is, he seems kind of, I don't know, I was gonna say flamboyant over the top.'cause he just, like, his emotions are just. Out there. He's like very excited, very angry, very, you know, I don't know. I don't know if it's because he is an inventor, so he's just kind of just with his thoughts a lot. It's that he just spurts stuff out. But yeah, he just seems kind of a little wild. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of got the mad genius thing going on, like he's eccentric. But he, he also is, you know, has three young kids and he doesn't give the best impression that he maybe is, um, considerate to their needs, I guess is the nicest way to put that. He does yell a lot. Again, this is all on tv. I don't know if this is like sensationalism. That was kind of that time and when he was on wife swap or he had a lot of things he was known for then too. But basically the dad was, and the kids,'cause he involves the kids in a lot of these experiments and kind of things that he likes to build. He's really good at, you know, engineering and kind of understanding that stuff. Building stuff. He's building this like balloon type structure. I don't know any other way to put it. Uh, looks kind of like a UFO big, silver, shiny thing that looks like a flying saucer, like the old Jiffy Pops. And that's supposed to be like moved by the wind. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, a Jiffy Pop. It does. Yeah, it totally, oh my God. That's exactly what it reminds me of. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I thought about that in a while. Do they still make Jiffy Pop? I saw it in the grocery store not too long ago. I used to love it. Just. All right. Still, we're gonna go back and forth. Mm-hmm. And then it starts popping and it just so exciting. Yeah. Yeah. It was, and then just seeing it pop and, or like get, you know, bigger, like and inflate and everything. Yeah. Totally. Is a Jiffy Pop balloon. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great way to describe it. Yeah. Yeah. And so they're, they're, they're building this, they're kind of in the backyard. The, the oldest son is, is recording this kind of what they're doing. And I guess there is a moment when, you know, the, the balloon is, is supposed to be tethered. The youngest son, Falcon, apparently was kind of playing around in it and at some random moment the balloon just kind of takes off into the wind. And the older son is like, I think Falcon was in there. Mm-hmm. Like he was in there because he saw him playing. Yeah. Because they couldn't find him. They couldn't find him after they're like Falcon Falcon and it's on the video. At first, they're just laughing and then they, I think they realize like, is he really stuck inside there? What are we gonna do? Yeah. And this, this is kind of hard to explain visually because it's, it is, like erin said, the Jiffy Pop top, and then there's kind of this little stump kind of at the bottom where apparently there's a little opening where somebody or something could go in, like a small child. Yeah. But this door is not very secure. So if he were up in, in there. It was kind of, there's no way to kind of re tether it down. There's nothing like digital to bring it down. It's very much just controlled by the wind and it starts to blow. It ended up blowing 50 miles off course and when they, you know, the parents start to to panic, the dad yells at the mom and blames her. You know, and says something like, you know, this is your fault or something. And really it just kind of, some freak thing happened where it just kind of untethered itself. I don't, I don't knows a big, if they still even know what happened. Yeah, it looked like,'cause they're in Colorado and I think there was just like a really big wind gust when it, when it happened. But yeah, I mean, it, it, I don't know, watching and again, it looked, to me, it looked like it was an accident, but I don't, it didn't, but who knows? From that point, it looked like an accident to me. It didn't look like he was trying to seek attention or, you know, you know, at least like from, you know, I remember too watching it in 2009 and thinking like, what the heck is happening? Is this real? Is this, you know, like, right. Yeah. Like, what the heck is what happened here? Yeah. No, I agree with you. I, I, to me, it kind of just felt like it was something went wrong and maybe. Yeah, since they couldn't find him. And then the, the older brother was like, well, I think I saw him playing around there. I mean, why wouldn't you be scared about that? And mm-hmm. You know, so they, they called up, you know, the, I don't know, rescue Emergency Services and I guess the National Guard got involved. The media caught wind of this. This was global news, if you remember that. You know, it was everywhere, everywhere as they were watching this balloon thinking like, oh my God, did something fall out? Is this boy gonna fall up? Because it's just, it's not a secure place and the winds are whipping him around and he's, he's high, high up there. He is not like, you know, if he fell out, he, he'd be very injured. If not, maybe, you know, kind of, he might be killed, you know, and mm-hmm. So. It was like everybody was in suspense. They didn't know, they still couldn't find a falcon, you know? And so there's just this media uproar of like, oh my gosh, what happened? How could this happen? Like, what if this kid felt like, what are we gonna find in the balloon? Is, is this kid gonna be okay? Is he gonna be like just forever traumatized or is he somewhere, you know, lying dead somewhere? You know? Yeah. Like and people were just by it. Yeah.'cause there was one point, there was a point when they were filming the. Balloon thing, you could see something fall out of the balloon. And so they, that's when they're like, oh no. You know, like, is it, is it the boy? What happened? So yeah. When they finally got the balloon down, they couldn't find him. Yeah. And they, they, they chased it down. I guess the, the media chased it down. The rescue services National Guard chased it down when they got there. There was no boy. In there and you know, that kind of doesn't really tell them anything other than maybe he fell out already. Mm-hmm. Or like, what the heck's going on here, seemingly. I mean, the family seemed to be freaking out, you know? And Yeah, as I think any parent would. But then shortly thereafter, Falcon appears at the house and is like, what's going on? Yeah. He just walks like tired, like, just like he just woke up or something. Just like, why is there all these people? Why? Why is everyone here? What's going on? Yeah. Yeah. Which I think there was some interview with Mayumi where she was like, oh my gosh, you're, you're okay. You're okay. Like, she was relieved, you know? She wasn't, yeah. It seemed pretty, it seemed genuine to me. I don't know. I, I, I didn't get the sense, I know this is labeled as the hoax or whatever, but I, I don't know. I don't know that I'm sold on that. No, I don't. I'm not either, because that's what I mean, like, it's, it's hard because you're, it's easy to be like, oh my gosh, this guy's a, you know, like. Narcissistic something just wants to be in the spotlight. And you know, it's all about him. Look at, look at the damage he did to his family and he put his family at risk. And, but also I'm seeing as this little five or 6-year-old little boy was just playing hiding. He said, I fell asleep in the attic or whatever. And I could see that really happening. And I also could see the other brother freaking out because he saw him playing in the balloon earlier and not really knowing. If he's in the balloon or not. And it is pretty chaotic. Like when the balloon goes up, it's flying away. They're like, oh my gosh, what are we gonna, how are we gonna get this? And then they're like, oh, where's Falcon? A lot of chaos and And then also it probably made them feel like he was in there even more because the police came and searched the house and no one found him. That's right. They did do a search. Yeah. Because he was in this kind of like. I guess it was like a crawl space kind of attic, like in the garage or something. It was kind of hard, like they didn't really, like, the parents didn't, didn't know that they even went up there, they said, and I don't think it was like a common space for him, even though he said he had been there a couple times before. I think it was maybe just like a getaway from having a couple brothers and just like, he was like, I can go nap here or something. Um. Right. Which sounds pretty reasonable. I mean, I dunno, to me, I was kind of like, yeah, I could kind of see that. Um, yeah. Yeah. So I, and I, I know, I know, I know. I used to have a, like when I was younger, I had a entrance into the attic from my bedroom, like through my closet, and I would hang out. I'd play in the, it's probably so bad, but I'd play inside the, like the little attic crawlspace area. I'd put like my dolls and whatever. That was your, that was your hiding spot. Privacy. That was my hiding spot. Your privacy. With all the, um, insulation, but I could see it. I do you feel like, you know, that is plausible. Yeah. You know, I, I actually, you know, I didn't like, there was an attic that we had that was like always super, super hot in the summer because it just had, you know, that like pink cotton candy, styrofoam. Yeah. Or not styrofoam, um, insulation. And I, I do remember going up there and just kind of playing, but like, kind of being like, okay, there's, there's, it's so hot up here. I couldn't really stay up there, but you know, it was a place I would go or like, I'd go with a couple of my sisters and we'd just kind of go and, I don't know, just to get away. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's definitely could be. It definitely I could see that. Mm-hmm. There's some background and some context to this as to why I think maybe this wasn't so credible because of Richard Haney's character, I guess maybe, and he, so just kind of going back, he, he started out way before this. He, he wanted to be a, a standup comic, an actor, and he, he kind of failed at that. He wasn't able to to meet that or whatever. So that was kind of his. Intended career path or maybe his desire at one point. And so there's, there's kind of that point, right? And then he got into designing things, making things, building things, and storm chasing. Um, and he's, he kind of, you know, was showing this eccentric side of himself because he appeared on the show wife swap a couple of times and he, he showed himself to kind of have, and who knows how much of this was scripted or sensationalized for him to kind of get attention. But he would say things like, oh, women, you know, past the age of 25, there's, it's all mentally downhill, you know, and he would kind of have like his own charms, but he just was not very likable. Yeah. You know, various points. Um, you know, and, and the kids were in the wife swap were portrayed as like not having any type of structure and we're kind of feral acting and mm-hmm. Yeah, and it was kind of like, you know, he really valued spontaneity and curiosity, which I think is really cool. But he'd also put the kids in possible danger by take, taking them outta school and taking them storm chasing. Right. Really close to it. The wife Mayumi seemed to be kind of just on board with these things, you know, it kind of seemed like they may be, you know, this was what she liked or. I don't know. I mean, that's, she seemed to just kind of be like, yeah, this is a fun ride kind of thing. Don't you like this boys? And mm-hmm. Sounds like she had some of the same values as him. So, you know, and, and some people question, was he acting this extreme way to try and get his own show? Apparently he did actually have a deal to have a, a show of his own, but when the, the, the quote unquote hoax popped up, they canceled it. So, was the show gonna be based on the balloon thing or was it on after the wife swap? It was, it was after wife swap. It was, it was before, it was in the works before the, the, the incident. So it wasn't about the, the balloon thing, but it was something about his, I think it was called like sci files or something like that. It was about his like belief in science and kind of like. You know, or like, kind of other worldly type things. And probably like bringing out his, his, you know, out there fringe beliefs at the time. Right. Um, but they canceled it when, because he got, he got charged, he and his wife got charged after this.'cause the, you know, officials found this to be a hoax had done this Yeah. Intentionally and well then also that makes you, you, that makes you question too, like, so why would he jeopardize. His possible TV show for this hoax. Yeah. If he was already going to get publicity and fame from the sci-fi show or whatever it was. Right. Yeah. That's kind of what I didn't, I didn't really understand, you know, when I, I kind of learned about that.'cause I don't think I knew that, but I read about that just recently and I was like, oh, that doesn't really make sense. You know, like, why would he? Yeah. Or maybe he thought this would drum up some publicity or something like that. Maybe that's how it was kind of rationalized, but it just went awry. Yeah. I don't know. But it, its sci-fi ish. Yeah, it looks like a spaceship. Yeah. And like a little boy trapped in there. But I don't really know how that really helps with any, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I, yeah, I don't know. Um, and, and, you know, he is, he is a, a wild character. He is very out there. Yeah. Uh, the things he says, who knows how much of that is a character, you know, because he, he does have a base in acting, you know, and, and yeah, this was around the time, you know, you had pointed out when things were kind of going viral, you know, and YouTube and things like that. So, yeah, I don't know. But they, officials were like, pretty convinced that this was something that was set up because I think just because of what they, whatever they saw or whatever they understood. And also when there were interviews being given after the fact, you know, with the whole family, they, somebody asked the question of the little boy falcon, like, oh, why did you, you know, why did you decide to come out from like your, your hiding space or whatever? Why didn't you come out with all the fuss and everything? And he was like, well, they said it was because of the show. Yeah. And people interpreted that to mean like, oh, because we wanted a reality show, but. I think Richard explained later, or was explained later, that he may, Falcon may have like, kind of seen all this, like media all of a sudden he woke up and Yeah. You know, maybe he felt like, oh, I have to get out there. Somebody said like, oh, you gotta, you gotta come out and, and talk to them now. You know, like mm-hmm. Like to the show, the media Right. Kind of thing. Yeah. And that, that does make sense to me. Mm-hmm. I don't, I don't know. I, I kind of don't love being on the side of someone like this guy, but I don't really actually know him either. So, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's hard because you wanna, you kind of wanna dislike him because he is so arrogant and he's so kind of, again, out there and it is very easy for people to be like, oh yeah, he's just, you know, this or that, or, you know, look at all the harm he's doing for his family. But yeah, I mean, I don't think that. They, the kids were like the best behaved and probably due to parenting, you know, their parenting practice, whatever type of parenting style they used. And I know it's been dubbed a hoax, but part of me, I don't know, it's, it's, it's hard for me, but I do kind of believe that it wasn't fully a hoax. Yeah. I, I'm, I'm with you. I don't, I, I just don't, I feel like I don't, I know this is my true crime brain coming out, but like, I don't, I don't really. See enough evidence, I don't, I don't know. It just doesn't really add up unless there's something I don't, I don't know about that wasn't in these documentaries. Yeah. And these other clips and things that I read about, which is definitely possible. I mean, I didn't, I didn't. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. And there could have been also,'cause there were, there were interviews from the neighbors and you know, I'm sure other people probably saw their behavior or lack of behavior or. Their reactions, you know? So, and that also was probably like, oh yeah, this isn't really adding up. It doesn't seem real. And yeah. Yeah. It may be a case of preconceived notions. Right. You know, that mm-hmm. If he, they didn't appear to be super structured and not like, maybe responsible in some people's eyes, maybe they thought, oh, well they would do this, so they did do this. You know? Yeah. That can, that can kind of shape people's opinions too. Yeah. They don't have, they don't really have a good. Way to take care of their kids or to make sure they're not in, um, you know, to make sure that they're safe. So, yeah. So they would more likely do this or they would use their kids to get famous, you know, in a sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, you know, um, his personality, uh, being kind of egocentric and mm-hmm. The way he. He portrays himself, it kind of fits and, and we had also talked about, you know, when they brought up charges. There was another, there was some kind of, you know, leverage that they held over him because they were like, oh, well if you don't plead guilty to this, this was, this. I don't know, I don't know if this was official, this is just what was said by in the documentary himself. Yeah. Um, you know, that he said, well, if they basically indicated if we didn't, if he didn't say he was guilty, then they were, they were gonna like, possibly look at deporting mayumi, you know, and so, mm-hmm. Yeah, there was some of that in there. And so maybe'cause people were like, oh, why did he plead guilty then? And maybe, maybe that was why, you know, because maybe he didn't want his wife to be deported, his family to be broken up. And, um, and he got charged, I think he, you know, for, we don't like 90 days or something in jail. Mm-hmm. She had kind of the, the. Report to jail, like on the weekends kind of thing, because she's the primary caregiver, you know, for a certain amount of time. So they were, they were charged with this. So I guess in the eyes of, of everybody else looking back on that, they just think like, well, they're guilty, but, I dunno, were they, I don't know. Yeah, if they really, if you thought your kid was in that balloon, wouldn't I would, I would call up. People, everyone be like, Hey, can you help me? Like National Guard? Sure. I'll take'em. You know, because if you really think that, is that really a crime if you really did believe that? I don't know. And I, I'm not, yeah, I'm just not convinced. I'm not convinced. I don't know. And you know, in the documentary they did. Follow them to I, I was kind of hoping we were saying this. I was kinda hoping there'd be more on the kids, like, what, where are they at? Kind of thing. But they didn't really, yeah. Where are they now? Yeah, they just, yeah, they just interviewed like the one, it seemed like Falcon, he seemed to be the only one that was talking, and it seemed like he put a lot of pressure on himself too. Like where he is like, oh, well I guess it's, you know, like there's one point where you could tell he kind of blames himself for all of this. Mm. But then he is thin and he also said, but I was only six. So, yeah. And, and if he, if that's really what happened, if he was just sleeping up in the, I mean, how, what was he supposed to do? He didn't know what was going on. Mm-hmm. You know, like he didn't realize, um, it's not like he was sitting there just giggling, you know, or, or whatever. And honestly, even if he was, he was still only six and didn't realize the gravity of it, you know, so. Mm-hmm. But that doesn't sound like that's what happened. Yeah, so I think the, the documentary doesn't really have an an opinion. It's kind of neutral. It's kind of just presenting these things and kind of being like, look at these things. Look at where they're now kind of thing, you know, like a little bit at the end. And it was, it was a little more neutral. Whereas some documentaries that I've, I've seen, you know, otherwise can be very much, you can tell which side they're kind of leaning on. Mm-hmm. Um, so I think it was more in the neutral kind of, kind of, yeah. You know, stance. Yeah. And it, it, it really was, you know what really was so fascinating about this case, and I, I, like, I was, I was saying this to erin,'cause we talk about this before, is I didn't really understand why it was such a, it was global. Mm-hmm. Global news. I mean, it was like jokes are being made a late night shows like everybody knew balloon boy, balloon boy. That became like a moniker, you know, like just everywhere. Everywhere. And, um. I think the general consensus was that, wow, this guy just faked it. Like, and that's it. We're just gonna keep going with that. Right. But if you think about it, I mean, I was reading a few articles that were like, Hey, you know, the media actually, you know, I know that this happened so quickly, but they kind of sensationalized it as well too. And they didn't necessarily vet all their sources when they put it everywhere. You know, and why were we so fascinated with it and mm-hmm. You know, kind of that type of lens, I guess, on it too. So. Yeah, there's, there's those things to consider. Also, it's not just, I mean, there's, there was a reason why it was global because people were like, wow, that's really weird, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and the fact that say this, this was, this happened to be something that was planned. You know, the fact that this was something that, you know, I, the father, Richard, he did use, if, if in this scenario, if this was planned, that he would've used the. Sympathy from like, oh my gosh, my son could die, kind of thing. And the fact that he, but he didn't. He didn't put him in there. Right. You know, he didn't like actually test this out. I'm not saying that that would be right, but I mean Right. He wasn't looking to harm his son. But at the same point, that would've been really wrong to have used that. Right. But I dunno, I think you and I are on the same page when we just sing. Yeah, it doesn't seem to, I don't know. You see the video before when it was released? It did, yeah. It seemed very, yeah. Genuine. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard to tell. I mean, I know looking at it back, you're like, oh my gosh, this family, they did it. They, you know, but, and it is really easy to look at him and think like, oh yeah, he's something, you know, he, he definitely seems like the type that would want the attention, but. It is really hard to, I don't know. I, I have a hard time to fully believe that it's 100% a hoax. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I just don't think there's enough, again, unless we're missing something and I really don't, I really don't know what, what evidence they had to convict. I, I don't understand what they had, because that would've been hard to prove, I think. Right. But somehow. They did. So I, I don't know. I'm just thinking like from a legal aspect, that just is a little bizarre to me. Yeah. And at the end of the documentary, there was a hint, which this didn't really help his case too much, but he did hint at like. There might be something in the works, like something seeing me soon kind of thing. Richard had said that, but I don't know, maybe that's just because it is, you know, like maybe he's just a very, he's someone who likes to share a lot of things, you know, his eccentric style, and maybe he's just always attracted to like TV because of that, but that doesn't necessarily mean he would put on a whole hoax to get there, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. So. And to be honest, I wonder, I'm curious if they have like a YouTube channel or if they, you know, have Instagram, because that would be like the perfect way mm-hmm. For them to, if, if he was really into this or to just showcase some of these things. Like now it's like everywhere, you know? Mm-hmm. Like back then it, it wouldn't have been as much. That's true. So I'm kind of curious if he does or if maybe if he's not like. Maybe he's not that interested in this. Maybe he just really is kind of fascinated by this stuff. I don't know. I don't know. Mm-hmm. Uh, he's a little bit of a stumper for me, but I'm, I'm curious to what he comes up with next. Yeah. I, I really don't know. I think this just kind of left us a little bit, you know, of wondering, like, we don't really know, and I, I don't know why it, it is, it was able to be called a hoax so quickly and how it was prosecuted. I don't get it. But I don't know. Tell us what you think because we, you, you, you know, if you're of a certain age, you probably, you remember this or you've definitely heard about it, mentioned in Right. In certain references, like cultural references. It was just in the zeitgeist. It was everywhere. And I mean, it, it really is something, I think that it's like that moment in time people can point to and be like, oh, balloon boy. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know some other, yeah.'cause yeah, it was like, yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of one. Yeah, I don't know what else was going on around that time, but Yeah. But it was kind of, yeah, but I mean, I was thinking of just like in general, like other points that we can reference and I couldn't even think of another one. Oh, like, like COVID, you know, like that happened. We knew it was around, I mean, obviously that was a different thing. You know, like kind of those things that are like points in our mind references that were like, yeah, oh yeah, I remember that. The OJ Simpson trial. You know? Yeah. Like that kind of Cato thing. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, so let us know what, what you think. If there's things that we, maybe we don't. Maybe we're not understanding. Yeah. Maybe we're not seeing a different perspective or different, you know, kind of evidence or whatever. Mm-hmm. That maybe we, we just didn't really look at, but that is our opinion and we're sticking to it. So that's what, that's what it's about. We just thought this was kind of interesting. A nice, nice little break. You know, the, the train wreck series is, is pretty cool. Has some, some good ones that maybe we'll look at some in the future. I don't know. Yeah, I think I'll, I think I, I'll skip the poop cruise. I don't wanna see that one. I did watch that one and that one was interesting. It was gross, but it was interesting. But yeah. So now for our challenge question, this one's gonna be probably a little, a little rough. So in terms of just kind of making the choice, so speaking of in the spirit of, of Bloom, boy, if you had the choice between. Say you had to, or let's just say you were incentivized, like you were offered a large amount of money. Okay. I don't know, 5 million or so to do one of the three things. Which would you choose? So balloon boy be, be in that balloon, you know, in that little hatch thing or whatever. Okay. You know, with the same safety protocols, right? None. Yeah. Yep. Skydiving. Okay. Or, um, let's say, uh, bungee jumping, would you, A, would you accept the challenge and B, what would you choose? Okay, so I don't think I do balloon boy, because there's no safety. Safety. You would just kind of like, what? I don't even know what you'd hold onto and then the door would fall. Yeah. It just seem like there's much in there. Yeah. Bungee jumping. I don't know. I always think of my uncle when bungee jumping when I was younger and he used to always show the same video from like a fair, some fair in New York, but carnival or something, I don't know. And skydiving, I don't know. I always get worried, like you always hear like the people skydiving class or something. Someone falls out. I think of the choices, I'd probably pick skydiving because it's really scary, but. You're with a, hopefully you're with somebody that knows what they're doing. It's all been checked and stuff like that. And it's not scary, I don't think It's super scary the whole time because then it's like slows down and I think, you know, I've never been, I know you've been right or you, but, so I think I would probably do skydiving for the 5 million. Yeah. I, I would choose, I would choose that again, I think. Yeah, because I. I actually do wanna go skydiving again. So I would, I would do it. Yeah. Like, and I really had a good time with it, the balloon boy thing. I agree with you. That does not seem safe at all. And you could just fly right out of there. And knowing me, I would, and bungee jumping. I used to think I wanted to do that, but I'm, I'm kind of not, I don't know. Something is kind of, as I get older and I'm not into it, so Yeah. Tied by your ankle, being tied by your ankles or whatever they do, it just doesn't seem fun. You know? It's just like, yeah. And to me that's like jumping off a bridge. You're just attached to a rope. I don't know. Yeah, I, I'm not gonna say I wouldn't ever do that, but like I, if I had the choice, I would definitely choose skydiving. Yeah.'cause it was fun. It was very, very fun. You felt like you're flying. So, and you definitely have to be, if you haven't done a certain amount of dives, you have to be in tandem with someone who is very experienced. Like you have to be like, there's not really, as far as I know, in, in most countries, you know, that's kind of what it's in the United States, so. Yeah. Well that is, so I guess that wasn't really tough. It was more just kind of like thinking about it. Um, but, you know, kind of little, little adventure question and, and the, the 5 million doesn't hurt. Right. You know? No. Makes sense. No, it kind of makes, makes it a little bit easier too, to be afraid because I didn't wanna make it a question like, oh, if you had to do it.'cause it's like, okay, in what instance would you have to do that? Yeah. But um, right. Yeah. A little fun treat there, but yeah. So that is balloon boy. Let us know your take. Let us know your answer to the challenge question. If you want. Let us know any and all things. Any questions? Mm-hmm. Any suggestions? We love to hear it. We are on all platforms, including YouTube. Mm-hmm. Um, so you can see my messy office right now because something keeps zooming out with my camera and I just don't care to fix it anymore. So, uh, yeah, but we will be taking a short break so we will have some kind of oldies but goodies, reruns for a few weeks. Mm-hmm. I will be motorcycling around Europe and during this heat wave and, but I am very, very excited for that and that should be fun. Yeah. So. Yeah. And yeah. So yeah, I think we'll be back. Yeah. And I'll be, um, I'll be radioactive during that time. I'll be getting And erin will be radioactive. Yeah. I'll be getting, um, radiation for my thyroid. So we'll be back. Yeah. I think like September. But I'll have stuff released. We'll release stuff in between, you know, you'll some oldies, like Tanya said, some oldies. What oldies, what goodies, uh, reruns. Yeah. Yeah. Things that maybe are kind of, you know, trending for this time of year that we think you might enjoy to, to hear again. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, um, we hope you have a good rest of the summer. I mean, and still enjoy listening to us as well, um, you know, in the, in the meantime with our reruns. But you take care and don't forget, stay wicked and keep your mind well. All right. Well talk to you soon. All right. Bye-bye. Bye guys. Thanks so much for listening today to the Wicked Psychotherapist Podcast. Be sure to like and follow us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon, or wherever else you listen to your podcasts.