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The Sixth Sense: Therapy, Connection & the Power of Being Seen

• Erin Gray and Tanya Dos Santos • Season 3 • Episode 14

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In this episode of Wicked Psychotherapists, Erin and Tanya revisit The Sixth Sense through a therapist’s lens—exploring how fate, unfinished business, and deep human connection guide the healing process. 

What happens when a therapist doesn’t even know he’s a ghost… yet still makes space for a child to feel seen and understood?

We unpack the symbolism of therapy, the weight of unresolved trauma, and how validation can transform fear into purpose. 

Plus: our most bizarre therapist experiences (blankets, cats, and questionable throw pillows included), and the question of the week—what psychic power would you choose?

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tanya:

Hey guys, this is Tanya.

Erin:

Hi, this is Erin and welcome to Wicked Psychotherapists.

tanya:

So, to date, we have a, a, I don't wanna say a classic, but I guess it kind of is at this point,

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

Is that what we're terming as a classic?

Erin:

I'm old.

tanya:

yeah. I, I, oh man. I was in high school. That's, that's frightening, but. Uh, we are gonna be discussing a movie called The Sixth Sense, which you've probably watched from 1999. So we thought this had a lot of psychological elements, but also it was just an interesting story and some good dynamics to explore. So if you've seen this or if you haven't seen it in a while, go back and watch it because I know, I think Erin and I were both discussing, we. Uh, you know, hadn't seen it in a while, and it certainly was like all of a sudden things made sense,

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

you know, I wasn't paying attention or I just didn't really catch things when I first watched it way back when it first came out. So, yeah, I don't know. It definitely watching it again last night, I was

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

everything clicked.

Erin:

Yeah, it, and it's funny because I watched it last night too, and I was just, same thing. I was like, oh yeah, I know. Because part of me is like, oh, I won't even have to watch this whole movie'cause I'm gonna remember it just from the opening scene. Nope. I like, I, I remembered some of it. I couldn't even, I didn't, I remembered like some things that Cole did, but a lot of it, no, I did not remember. I did not remember a lot of the interactions at all.

tanya:

Yeah, I, I didn't either. I, I know there's been a lot of things written about this because I think at the time so many people watched it and they were fascinated by type of

Erin:

I.

tanya:

It was kind of an innovative genre by. M Night Shalon, I think people were just kind of confused about it. And so people wrote about it for years afterwards and kind of explained it, and I would read some of those things and I was like, I don't even really remember, like, I, I, I just don't think I paid attention to it. But yeah, it is,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

did not remember any of it except for like a few scenes and, you know, obviously the, the Icy Dead people,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

the classic, you know, line from it. But. So we, we thought this would be interesting to talk about because it definitely has a lot of, therapy elements. Not only just because main character Bruce Willis, Dr. Crow is a psychol, he's a child psychologist. But. just the, the interactions that they have between him and, and the young boy, uh, Cole.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

they really kind of, it, it's interesting to like a therapy process,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

and just show like what, what they worked through and how

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

worked together. One being a ghost and one not,

Erin:

You gave it away spoilers. You forgot to say spoilers ahead. Sorry guys.

tanya:

movie is probably the most spoiler alerted, like ever. I don't know if that's a term, but it, it's,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

so many people are like, Hey, just so you know, that movie, the, the, the guy was dead all along. Like just, you know, like that's,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

memes have been about. And it was, you know,

Erin:

yeah. It is it,

tanya:

that by now, you know it. Okay. Like,

Erin:

Sorry. Sorry.

tanya:

yeah.

Erin:

1999.

tanya:

Yeah, pretty sure most people do. But, you know, in talking about, and I, I love Bruce Willis Young, Bruce Willis here.

Erin:

I forgot that he had hair. I forgot that he had hair at one time.

tanya:

yeah. He had a nice head of hair. Yeah. He's pretty handsome. Handsome man.

Erin:

That must have been be, was that before Moonlighting or was, or was Moonlighting before that?

tanya:

I moonlighting was before that,

Erin:

Was it

tanya:

sure. Yeah.

Erin:

because that was when we all were introduced? Well, not all of us. I mean, some of these people are like, moonlighting. What are the, what's that? No,

tanya:

Wood lighting and we look back'cause we didn't, we do a series on it, didn't

Erin:

on Moonlighting? No, no.

tanya:

I'm thinking of the

Erin:

Frazier. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Nicholas Cage, moon Moonstruck.

tanya:

Moonstruck. Yeah. I don't know why I was thinking of that. Yeah. But

Erin:

That's funny.

tanya:

he was in a series with Civil Shepherd and. Called Moonlighting. And he also did the Die Hard series, like

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

before this in the eighties and the

Erin:

Yeah. There's always the controversy, whether it's a Christmas movie or not.

tanya:

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's definitely something that I don't know. I like him, so I don't,

Erin:

I, yeah, I like him. He's, I like, I like his acting.

tanya:

Yeah. He's a, he is a good actor and now he's, it's unfortunate where he is at now. He's got like a He can't talk. He's got like. Uh, you know, like white, white matters disease, I think.

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

it's really sad to think of, but this is like in his glory days, this was so nice to celebrate him as, as an actor when he, good in this as well as the, the little boy Haley, Joel Osmond. He's, was like 11 at this time

Erin:

yeah, yeah. He was a, he was great.

tanya:

yeah, that, that's pretty, pretty impressive. Yeah, so we, we see that Dr. Crow, he's, you know, he's start out in the movie. He's, you know, getting an award to be like, you know, honored as a prominent child psychologist. His wife is so proud they're having this like lovey-dovey moment,

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

getting some wine. His wife kind of hears something in the cellar, you know, kind of thing, but just kind of thinks, ugh, that's just kind of freaky, whatever. And then. you know, all of a sudden we realize that uh, there is somebody there who broke in. It's a former of, of Dr. Crow's, now he's an adult. Vincent Gray, who is Donnie Wallberg.

Erin:

Yeah, like it's so, and it's so creepy looking because he looks so creepy and scary, which I know that's the whole point of the character. But yeah, I thought it was, I was telling Tanya, I was like, I think that that was one of the brothers or someone from six feet under, but it's not, it was Donnie Wahlberg and,

tanya:

different though.

Erin:

yeah.

tanya:

you really look at the picture and you're like, okay, I could see that. But like just in the scene he's playing, you would not, I didn't, I didn't recognize

Erin:

No.

tanya:

looking for him like I don't see him.'cause I saw his name in the credits at the beginning. But yeah, we had to, we had to look that up and do a little dive for that because we were like, where was Donnie?

Erin:

Yeah. Who was he? Yeah.

tanya:

But you know, he was, uh, you know, he wasn't in his, uh, new kids on the block, you know,

Erin:

Yeah, that, that's it. Yeah. It was hard for him to, he

tanya:

you.

Erin:

wasn't saying. He wasn't singing or any,

tanya:

you know,

Erin:

I was gonna say that. Oh, Donny.

tanya:

tough. Oh

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

I have that in my mind.

Erin:

Now, now all the people with their back, their jean jackets, with the patches on the back are gonna be like, no, it's this.

tanya:

And the

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

on it and be like, oh, I love Donny. I love Joey. Joey McIntyre. Oh my God.

Erin:

That one's my favorite.

tanya:

Yeah. Geez. That brings back a

Erin:

Funny, but Yeah. But it, it was very, yeah, it was very, that scene, even watching it y decades later is still so disturbing and creepy to me. I don't know why.'cause it's just,

tanya:

traumatizing,

Erin:

yeah.

tanya:

I mean, because we, we work with clients and, you know, we both worked with kids and you think you, you always want it. Sometimes you don't get to follow through with kids, and sometimes you think. Oh my gosh, did I do everything right by that kid? And of course, we, we try our hardest, right? But this is like a therapist's worst nightmare, right? You know, like one, one of them where somebody is coming back saying, you failed me and now I'm going to shoot you and shoot myself.

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

And that's absolutely terrifying. And I mean, it's just the, the scene itself is just like, ugh. It just gives you like a nauseous feeling.

Erin:

yeah. And that he is just in his underwear.

tanya:

yeah.

Erin:

he looks very disturbed and just, yeah, just, yeah, it's just really sad. So that's the beginning of the movie. It's just lots of

tanya:

Yeah.

Erin:

producing feelings.

tanya:

Yeah. It goes right into it. I mean, it has the lovey-dovey scene and then it goes right into it. And so that doesn't set, set you up very well. But you know, when you, you see, you see the doctor Dr. Crow get shot, but then it, it flips to, you know, a year later where it's like, oh. And you see Dr. Crow just, you know, looking, checking in on another patient who has similar symptoms to this other client who, who had come in to absolutely terrorize him. And,

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

You know, was really upset and shot him and shot and I presume shot himself.'cause he was holding the gun to his head. And he, he's like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna fail this client.'cause

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

symptoms of like social isolation, you know, was kind of ousted father's not there kind of thing. or father had passed or, you know, those kind of things. And, that's the little boy, uh, that Hailey, Joel Osmond plays

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

He's kind of observing him. It says like the next fall South Philadelphia or something. And so you just kind of see him moving on, like you just, you

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

he survived.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

again, spoiler alert, he, he did not. But you know, all throughout the movie you're thinking, okay, this guy's really trying to do right

Erin:

Well, yeah.

tanya:

just a ghost psychologist.

Erin:

Well, and then, and then what, what I was thinking of too is. Like how did he, how did he get on his, his client list? Like how did he end up

tanya:

know, I know did have those notes and the history and

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

I guess it's like in the ghost world, he needs to keep up his practice or

Erin:

Yeah, so that's a, I was wondering like, how did he have a full file and all the past, because he had all his past notes from people who've seen him before

tanya:

Yeah.

Erin:

and then,

tanya:

That's exactly, yeah,

Erin:

and

tanya:

I

Erin:

and who referred him and how did he get the referral to start seeing him? I.

tanya:

where is this coming from? Like looking at it from that perspective. I know it just gets like brushed under the rug, but that's what we're thinking because that's the first thing we're like, wait a minute.'cause we get that all through, like realistic means hopefully. Right. You know, and these are pretty detailed notes, you know.

Erin:

And he's doing his research. He's with his DSM in the back, you know, in his, in his basement doing all his research after taking his notes on his pad. Yeah. So it's so.

tanya:

It's, I don't know, I don't know if it was like maybe the little boy like kind of called out a need for him or maybe it

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

needed. So he was just supplied that as

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

you know,

Erin:

yeah. Because, because like when, when we see, when we see Cole's other ghost that he's interacting with, they find him no matter how far they are. So maybe, you know, Dr. Crow found Cole, you know, in that way and just.

tanya:

Yeah.

Erin:

After world or whatever, ended up creating the notes, the past notes for him.

tanya:

they, they just set that up nicely.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

because when you were saying, I was like, yeah, that's what I was thinking too when I was watching him on the, on the bench across like, you know, from his like townhouse or

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

and he is like,

Erin:

He has his little briefcase.

tanya:

notes. Like, I don't get those in real life. Like,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

like, wow, that's pretty amazing.

Erin:

Yeah. Like he was.

tanya:

the pass notes. That's, that's a

Erin:

Yeah. And it's funny not to jump from like another episode that we did before, but it's funny'cause we, we just did the shrink next door, like the other week and we were like, what a creep. He's walking with him and he's doing all this stuff out of office, but now Dr. Crow we're like, what a great psychologist he is. So good. Stalking Cole across the bench, following him into the church,

tanya:

Watching

Erin:

the.

tanya:

up on'em.

Erin:

But, but it is, but it, it's in a different manner.'cause this seems like it's more out of love and caring and he actually wants to help Cole.

tanya:

Yeah, he, he definitely does. And you, you definitely sense a of a feeling that Dr. Crow is, it truly loves his, his job loves these kids, cares about them which is why he was probably such a prominent. Child psychologist in, in life.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

it almost sounds like his, his purpose in the afterlife or you know, kind of wherever he is, maybe in, in limbo kind of thing, is to be able to connect with this person to kind of have that resolve from this situation. Not only for himself, but also, you know, Cole really needs him too.'cause he needs to learn how to, like, I'm getting visited by, you know, dead people and some of them are, are pretty. Pretty scary.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

they're, they're not, of'em aren't friendly. Like one of'em leaves, you know, scratches on his back and, you know, the other one that he sees is throwing up stuff and

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

looking. But we, you know, Dr. Crow then teaches him skills of how to

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

which

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

therapeutic, right? Like, don't run and hide, but ask them

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

to you

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And I wonder if, I just had a weird thought. I wonder if Crow kind of had this, this is just totally like character made up stuff, thoughts, but if he had this feeling that like, well, you know, I'm coming to you for a reason, so maybe these other people are coming to you for a reason. Like they have something that you can help them with. Like he kind of had a sense about that

Erin:

I don't know. I, I, because I think he still thought he was alive at that point.

tanya:

I mean, I, I know he, he definitely like, thought he was alive, but I think maybe like subconsciously that, that was the purpose

Erin:

Oh, maybe.

tanya:

say like, you know, I don't know. I'm just, I'm like making stuff up

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

characters and

Erin:

he was trying to heal. That was also, I was wondering how was he able to pick up all this stuff like Dr. Crow, like how was he able to get those old, recordings and he was able to get his, you know, like he, he had all the cassette tapes and he was able to get'em, and I thought ghosts couldn't pick up stuff or can they, like what?

tanya:

because that's from the movie, that's from Ghost. Like we see that like, you know, Patrick Swayze, when he's a ghost, he can't do it. But think this was a new, this was a new kind of like, well, I'm not gonna explain it. M Night Shalon

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

Right. You know,

Erin:

They're gonna be, they can just do it. They can write notes and they can

tanya:

I

Erin:

work and.

tanya:

instead of error, error,

Erin:

Error. Yeah,

tanya:

my, my Boston, my word era, I meant to say,

Erin:

yeah, yeah.

tanya:

Yeah.

Erin:

maybe, maybe that's what, yeah, maybe that's what it was. Because I think when he started seeing, listening to the cassette tape of his past patient, that's when he, I think he really realized Cole was telling the truth too. I think that's when he is like, I really wanna help him talk to these people and figure out what's going on. And maybe he did think he was gonna heal himself too, because it seemed like after Cole helped that girl was when, you know, again, we're jumping ahead. Sorry. That he realized that he would no longer be his therapist.

tanya:

Like he had, he had guided him. He had helped him, which is very much kind of in the therapeutic process. There comes a point where you feel like your client is good, good to go, and maybe, you know, doesn't really need something at this point, they may come back, right. Kind of thing. But it kind of seemed like a, like a therapy closure.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

you know, kind of, it reminded me of that, of,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

know, and the boy was very aware of that. He was like, well, I don't think I'll be seeing you tomorrow. You know, and. Dr. Crow was aware of that too. And then the little boy helps him. He helps him because he's

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

trying to speak to his wife. And you know, in Dr. Crow's mind, he thinks it's just distance that she's

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

and just not addressing him. And Cole is like, you know, when they're sleeping, you can talk to them and they'll hear you. And

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

he goes and he realizes, oh, like I can talk to her, let her know how much she meant to me. And then all of a sudden when, you know, his, his wife is sleeping, the, the wedding ring that he used to wear falls out of her hand and he realizes, he kind of flashes back and remembers like, oh my gosh.

Erin:

I'm not wearing one.

tanya:

of the little boy. Like, they all come to me. And they don't, they don't, they don't know. Like they only see what they wanna see. They don't

Erin:

Yeah. Yeah.

tanya:

to realize all these instances of like, wait, that's me. And why

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

she have my wedding ring? Why am I not

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And why weren't these things, why weren't people interacting with me? And

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

of all this stuff.

Erin:

And, and what a, what a line too. Like they only see what they wanna see. So like, when that's happening too, Cole, that's when poor little coal is so terrified still. You know, like, and like he's so, you know, he is like, he's, because that was before he even told him, like, I see dead people. He is like, you know, I'm around. You know, people are around. They only see what they wanna see. Or, you know, it's very scary. And then there's this. Therapist, ghost in your living room, you know, just, but

tanya:

with you to have sessions and like sitting across from your mother when he, when he comes home and

Erin:

yeah, just waiting.

tanya:

waiting for you.

Erin:

We have an hour and, yeah, it is very, it, it's interesting too,'cause I really like the progression with Cole too because he's, he could tell he is so anxious and so sad and depressed and. Possibly personality disorder. You know, like, just not sure. And then you realize like, no, he is like anxious and scared.'cause all this is happening. He doesn't know how to deal with it. But Dr. Crow helps. And then at the end he's smiling. I love that. He's like, you know, even when he, they're pretending like, okay, well I'll see you tomorrow. And like cold lights up, like, and you don't see him smile really at all throughout the movie.

tanya:

he has a very somber, somber appearance throughout, you know, he kind of, his facial expressions are very, like, he's, he's, he's scared. Scared for his life. I mean, I would

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

were seeing when a car. Car wreck happened. The, the person, if they passed or whatever, you know, when the car wreck, the, the biker or whatever

Erin:

Yeah. It's right next.

tanya:

the window, and he's well aware that he's the only one that can see these people because he keeps it a

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

from his mom and from people around him he knows he'll be looked at as, you know what he's been called as a freak. Right. You know, like he, he says like, he gets called a freak a lot because he isn't like this, this, having this experience that nobody else. Is having, and he has no idea how to deal with it. He's just terrified. Understandably. I, I

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

adult, I can't imagine, as a kid.

Erin:

no. Yeah. And you're, you're having to keep it from yourself, but I wondered if the mom, you know, at the beginning. At the very beginning, you see the mom like, you know, all the cupboards are open and she's like, then she leaves again. Then. Aha. So you, I almost wonder if the mom has some intuition or some awareness that something is happening.'cause then she's even like, Cole, was there something you were looking for? She's like, please say, you know, like, she's probably thinking, please say you're looking for something. And then he's like, uh, let me think of something quick.'cause I wanna save mom. And I don't want her to be scared and I don't want her to think something has happened. Like, oh, I'm just looking, you know, for the. Pop-Tarts or whatever. And so I was wondering if the mom had an idea before this, like something,'cause she, there's been some times when she's really cold and you know, just different things. So I wasn't sure if she had suspected that.

tanya:

I think she knows, she knows he's different and I think she maybe thinks he has like these abilities, like telekinetic abilities or something like she knows something is going on and I think it freaks her out. I think she's very scared of it, but she also doesn't really want to admit it either. And, but she also, she wants him to get help, so I think she's just really confused. But yeah, there probably is some sense of like something is. It not right here. You know, like, it just

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

sense. She keeps saying like, tell me, tell me, you know, and like getting really upset because, uh, she knows there's, there's something that he's just like not quite saying or, you know, but obviously how are you gonna say that if, you know, I think most kids probably wouldn't even know that that's different. But he has the awareness of it, but he's trying to protect her

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

Yeah. He's very protective of her. And I, I love that part about, you know, I know it's towards the end, but when. When Cole is, is telling you know, his mom, he's like, her every day. And you know, she wants, you asked her a question and she said, every day. And then he's like, what's the question you asked her at her grave? And she's like, oh, are you proud of me?

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

her like that closure. So there's just, there's so many therapy elements here,

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

this closure, you know, like kind of

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

you know, mom and his, his grandma who

Erin:

yeah.

tanya:

close and.

Erin:

Well, and the one part too, which is so nice, and it did, it did probably help heal so much trauma. When the grandmother is telling Cole, you know, I. We got in a fight. Your mom's father and I got in a fight and it was right before her dance recital, so she thought I didn't attend, but I did. I was there, I was in the back. I didn't want her to see. And so just that she's able to, you know, Cole's able to share to his mom, this is what grandma said, and she saw you and you could just see that healing happen, you know. For her. And it's also happening for Cole too.'cause he's being believed by his mom and he is also helping his mom.

tanya:

Yeah, he's got the, the validation of, and I think that's a big part, is that. of, you know, why he was feeling so outcasted was because this wasn't something that was accepted. It wasn't even something he could talk about.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And he felt validated by Dr. Crow when Dr. Crow was believing him and trying to get him to work with it as opposed to like, avoid it and also to believe him. And then now his, his mom believes him. And I think that really, it, it looks at a lot of therapeutic elements of, you know, connection, commun communication, and. not to avoid problems, but trying to, to process them

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

and work with them, uh, despite how difficult it is, but also the validation of the problem, the fact that it does exist. And, you know, because a lot of people when they come to you, they are, they have been told a million times over that, you know, oh, it's just this or it's that, and they've been dismissed or not listened to or told that their problems are smaller than they are. And so to have somebody just, you know, see, see that and see you is,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

very healing. And yeah, I, I think that, know, also, I, I think Dr. Crow is very open to Cole in general. He is very much like I, he does want to believe him. He's not somebody who's like, oh, I'm gonna. you to, I mean, I don't know how that would've worked, him being a ghost psychologist, but I'm trying to think how he would've had to find a ghost psychiatrist. He, he's not like, oh, I'm gonna give you a med referral or whatever, and just kind of dismiss it and, you know, which, which I think we've all seen done at times. Maybe, you know, maybe not with any male intention, but it, it, it kind of gets passed to the side rather than just hearing this.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

out and seeing like what is their story? What is their experience? You know, maybe they're

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

in this way, but maybe their, their experience is actually this, this is what they're trying to communicate. This is what their story is.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And that very much is therapy. You know, that's, that's really kind of the heart of therapy.

Erin:

Yeah, it is. It's a lot of almost blind faith too, and trying to, because we're not,'cause Tanya and I had talked about before the session that we kind of. Can understand Dr. Crow because we're not in our client's life in the physical world a lot. You know, being able to interact with everything that they're interacting with, but we're a part of it and we're able to guide and help them through listening and, you know, help helping them share what's happening and hopefully giving them the voice to. You know, make the changes that they need to, or feel like they can share a part of themselves with their loved ones if it's appropriate.

tanya:

Yeah, and like giving them tools to, to work through all those, those difficult times. And just have a, a space where people can be. It heard.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

And so yeah, it, it very much is very symbolic. I mean, this ghost psychologist is kind of, you know, obviously he can, he can go to more places with him and he is, got more time on his hands. but I mean, it's what it seems like, I don't know, he doesn't seem to be home very much unless he's doing research in the basement. But it, it's, you know, it very much, he's, you know, yeah, we are, we're like kind of. Maybe sort of like ghosts in people's lives where we're, we're there, but we're not necessarily present, but we're there to, to kind of help and, and

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

guide along in a way. And I, I just thought that was a really good, I don't know if that was intentional by night Shyam, but I thought that was a really good way to, to describe the, the process of therapy. And I really, I

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

when I

Erin:

And I liked how, even though I'm sorry, I even though he, Even though he is a ghost,

tanya:

Oh, but it's, it's kind of funny though when you think about it because he's just like on the bus with him. He just like randomly appears and like he's, he's in a chair in his home. I

Erin:

like a.

tanya:

like, so, but it's like it done in a loving way. It's so weird.

Erin:

Yeah, because I was gonna say, I was gonna say, even though, even though he's a ghost, he, you know, like he, you know, even though he's a ghost, he is following a lot of the correct methods for therapy. Like, you know, he's doing his research, he's sitting with him, he is doing active listening. It, it's really. It seems really appropriate, like it seems depicted in the correct way, where a lot of times you see therapists and therapy in shows or on movies or whatever, and it's just like, oh my gosh, this is nuts. but it really, it does seem realistic except he's, you know, a ghost.

tanya:

And just kind of in random places. But no,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

you're right. Like the, the that's a good point. Like the, the tools that he uses and, and the way he like the process of it, I think really is depicted very well. I agree. Yeah, it

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

Because I, I, I think a lot of times in movies you'll, I, I don't know if you've, you've seen this trend, but I'll see people that go to psychiatrists. be like, oh, I get my therapy from that. And they'll see them like processing with them. And I'm like,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

that's like a, therapist, like a

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

like, they'll do a little bit of that, but they're primarily like they're medical doctors. They're

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

on the medication and how

Erin:

and, and then I think people in real world get disappointed when they go to a psychiatrist. And I've heard this because then the psychiatrist are like, my psychiatrist. I only saw them for 15 minutes. I thought it was supposed to be an hour. You know, I'm thinking like, no, the. That's what you got. You. You have 15 minutes because they're just, you know, unless it's the first initial appointment, it might be a half hour or 45 minutes, but otherwise it's a 15 minute appointment for medication management and maybe they'll order blood work, you know, depending, but it's just, are the meds working okay? Yep. Okay. It need to change. Oh, nope. Okay. See you in a month.

tanya:

Chit chat to make sure it is about 15 minutes so you can bill.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And you know, and then that's about, I mean,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

with it. And just with other clients as well as, you know,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

I know

Erin:

And

tanya:

it really can be. Yeah. It's, it's just a check-in. I mean, I have to say my, my med provider is, is great, does do a lot of talking with me. She's an np.

Erin:

Oh, that's good.

tanya:

but I, on the whole, I think, yeah, psychiatrists are not. They're not really therapists. I don't know if that's something,

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

some do practice that and kind of take that in as a whole, along with medication, I guess depending on, on your practice of it. But my experience has been that, yeah, it's just mainly med management and the symptoms of that. And then, you know, psychologists and mental health. master's level like we are, do that. The, the talking, the processing, the, the themes, the, the kind

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

know, nitty gritty emotional work.

Erin:

Yeah. The riding on the bus. With your client?

tanya:

The bus ride therapy. Yeah. Showing up to people's wakes with, with a young boy. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of silly, but you're right, it is really like a great way to portray, you know, psychologists, especially a. A male child, psychol psychologist,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

is something that, you really, I, I feel like Bruce Willis does a great job

Erin:

Oh yeah.

tanya:

him. You know, like he really is, he, he really seems to care even right before he gets shot in, in real life, before he dies, you know, that he's like, I just wanna help you. You know, like, tell me what, okay, I'm sorry I hurt you. And then, you know, he, he, he genuinely seems to be like, oh my gosh, you know, I didn't realize that. And know what I. I missed this. Can you, can you fill in this hole for me?

Erin:

Sure.

tanya:

it's something that maybe wasn't, I actually just thought of this.

Erin:

Okay.

tanya:

What, how did he like fail him? Was it because he, he didn't believe him or,

Erin:

I think so. I think that's why Bruce Willis went back to the cassette tapes to listen because he realized that he never really helped him to process or work with the ghost he was listening to. And everyone always thought he was a freak. So that part of hi, like so even though he went to therapy and he worked on stuff. That was never resolved. So he might have misdiagnosed him. Maybe he thought he, maybe he diagnosed with him as a personality disorder or something like that. So he was never treated properly. So Dr. Crow probably thought he treated him properly. Okay. Saw this, I listened and gave him the right diagnosis, but then the, the guy, the guy who killed, you know, killed everyone. He or killed himself in, uh. Donny, Donny Wahlberg.

tanya:

Donny

Erin:

Uh,

tanya:

Vincent Price. That was his

Erin:

yes.

tanya:

All I could think of was Donny.

Erin:

Was it Di Vincent Price?

tanya:

I'm sorry. Vincent Gray. Vincent Gray. I should know that. That's your,

Erin:

That's my last name.

tanya:

know. I'm like, that's, I know it's spelled differently, but like

Erin:

Um, and also Vincent Price is a different person.

tanya:

I don't

Erin:

Yeah. But but, so anyway, yeah, I think it was that, I think that he misdiagnosed him and then probably. Vincent probably went on this, you know, real. So now he's diagnosed as whatever and being treated that way, and now he's always gonna be the freak and the loser or whatever, you know, however he is.

tanya:

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and I, I did, I think he suspected mood, like it said the same thing. It was like a mood disorder. He suspected him and then it even had the same notes for, for Cole as well. And it was like,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

of the tenets where he was like, I. He's got the same things, I can fix it with him. Right.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And actually that brings me, that brings me like to another point, as therapists, we sometimes feel like the more, you know, the more experience we get and the more people we see, and obviously just, you know, more years under your belt

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

Hopefully you grow in this field. Right. But there are some times when you're like kind of a, a new therapist or a baby therapist as some people term it you know, where people will. You know, it, it's tough. It's tough to, you know, because you're trying to keep all these ethical considerations. And, and I'm not making any excuses at all. I'm just giving our, our experience of it, and I, you know,

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

wanna speak on it too, is that I can think back to when I was a new therapist

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

man, maybe I would've like, explained that a little better. You know, or maybe I would've, you know, kind of these things that it's, it's just like in any profession really. You get better as you, you

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

you know, as a clinician you're

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

more people and stuff. And so I think he kind of realizes that. I don't know if he was like, kind of new at that time, you know, because the, the Donnie looked kind of older and I think he was like a young kid. So it was

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

ago. I would, I think he said. But have, do you, do you feel that way as

Erin:

Yeah, and it's funny too'cause I've actually seen like memes and stuff like that, like, of like about, like that depicting like new, new therapists. Like, oh gosh, I wish I could contact the clients I saw when I was in, you know, internship or whatever and just say, whoops, I didn't learn all the tools yet, or I, I'm still. Awkwardly placing my hands, or I don't know how I'm supposed to move my face or ask an open-ended question, or am I supposed to have my hands on the, the, the chair handles? Or how am I supposed to lean forward? Am I supposed to cross my legs or not? Am I supposed to take notes nonstop or listen or, you know? So it's a lot. It's really trying to do real world stuff and. Being a, you know, and being a therapist, being present. So it is some, it is a skill that you, you learn in school, but you also really, really, really learn it in, in real life with real clients and, and that can take a couple years to really figure it out.

tanya:

Yeah. And it's, it, it's, so, I, I remember thinking at the time that like, that makes sense that I won't, I won't learn things till I know what I need to learn. You know? Like I, you can only learn so much in a simulated environment at

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

You know, you kind of have to get out there, it's, it's tough because how, you can't say that really to your clients. Right. You know? of course there's sin and stuff like that, which I, I took a lot of, you know, I thank God I had a great

Erin:

Oh

tanya:

I've mentioned her before, Alice, she's wonderful.

Erin:

You're lucky. My mine, not so much. I had.

tanya:

oh

Erin:

I had Wackadoos, but

tanya:

Oh,

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

Oh, that's right, that's right.

Erin:

both of mine were wacky.

tanya:

Oh my gosh. I, I really, I, I was very lucky I was in community mental health when I was getting my. Postgraduate licensure hours. And she was just a wonderful, wonderful guide and really like, you know, knew her stuff and really was, had

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

approaches towards, uh, working with kids, which is like tough, you know, I

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

to find, but, yeah, I, I think that really is something that it's, it's hard to kind of say that because you also have confidence in yourself too, but you don't know until you don't know what you don't know. Right.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

you. Till you don't, till you know it kind of thing.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

but there's this whole, this whole trend on, I, I don't know if it's TikTok, honestly, I don't even know if this is past the trend or whatever. I could be speaking old lady news, which I probably am,

Erin:

Okay.

tanya:

this thing where, you know, to make, you know, a trend in like TikTok or reels or whatever to make a video of you having coffee with your past self kind of thing.

Erin:

Oh, okay.

tanya:

and I almost wonder if. Having, having coffee, having coffee or, or riding the bus with your old you know, therapist self kind of thing.

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

you know, like you, you brought up some good points, like, you know, do I take notes or not? That was a big thing for me too. I

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

do I stay present or do I like, like, and I was able to kind of be like, okay, actually taking notes helps me to stay present, but I'm,

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

give certain visual cues, you

Erin:

And I still do that. Like I'll take notes sometimes, especially if it's a new person. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, like it's like. I'm like writing and I'll tell them like, Hey, I'm gonna be writing a lot this first session. And then otherwise other sessions will be like, I'll have the person's name start time to end time, blah, blah, blah. What we talk about, if there's any big quotes or anything like that. And then I'll just write the note late, you know, later, you know, like on, I have a electronic thing, then I do it. But, so, but yeah, but it was, it's very awkward at first. It's like, what am I supposed to do? Am I, how, how am I supposed to word it? Am I supposed to write every single thing they say? Every single thing I say, is it, you know what, yeah, it's very,

tanya:

And there's no set answer. It's

Erin:

no.

tanya:

on how it works for you and how, and the population you're with, the, the place that you're in, the environment

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

Your own personal style, like style, personality of

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

Do you like to have like a table in between you and your, or like a desk in between you and your clients,

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

of open space? Like all

Erin:

yeah, yeah,

tanya:

go to a therapist's office in person, is very intentional.

Erin:

yeah, yeah. And then, and I have to say, I do not like the therapist who put a desk in between you. Of course I have a desk now because I'm doing it virtual. I'm always, that's something I'm always like. Wondering, should I sit in my chair and put a camera or should I sit behind my desk? You know, so that, that, I still have that question now. Like I'm always like having like anxiety of like, do I look okay right here? Or should I, should I sit or should I sit in a chair? And then. Somehow set up everything. So it's like I'm sitting at a chair, so they see me like in a chair. So I always like overly, I do overthink that. But I did go to a couple therapists in the past for myself as a patient, as a client, and you go in there and you're at, and it's like them at their desk. And then you sit at the, it's like, oh my God, you're such a jerk. I do not wanna talk to you while I'm, I'm like, I'm not doing a job interview.

tanya:

Yeah,

Erin:

And,

tanya:

strange thing. Yeah.

Erin:

I also don't want to go to the therapist, and I've had the therapist who is the opposite. So you're on the couch or something, and then they're on the chair and then they take off their shoes. And so I had this. I had this one, I was like, oh my God, why am I going to her? And she ends up taking off her shoes and stuff and she's like, you don't, do you want a blanket? I'm like, Nope, I'm fine. Just sitting here without the pill. And I always get so annoyed at throw pillows. I always have to put'em far away from me.'cause I get grossed out thinking how many people have sat there?

tanya:

too.

Erin:

So I.

tanya:

Like what germs are on

Erin:

Yeah. I'm like, and then she's like, do you want a blanket? And so then she took off, took off her shoes, cuddling on her thing, and she's on a blanket all wrapped up, and then she has her coffee. I'm like, what? What's happening? I don't want you that cozy. I am here to tell you my anxiety and I want you present in my anxiety with me. Like I, I don't want you to be like, Hey, read the room. I am not, I am so anxious. I have the pillows all on the other side of the couch. I am not wrapped in a blanket and I am not taking my shoes off.

tanya:

Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. And, and I think that's a good point because it, it's almost kind of like, I, I know we're veering off here, but

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

think

Erin:

it's all therapy. Yeah.

tanya:

therapy. Yeah. It's like, kind of like, do you show up as your, like some people just have authentic styles. Like they're like, I, I can only do it if I'm completely cozy and feel like I. Kind of like I am, I'm just, you know, whatever, like wrapped up in a blanket and I'm cozy and either you, you like that or maybe you decide to go with someone else. And

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

people, I think it sounds like you and I follow this, you

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

kind of like, I'll read kind of like they seem uncomfortable if I'm maybe asking like this or going in this

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

like kind of have this like, you know, if I'm kind of making too much eye contact kind of

Erin:

yeah.

tanya:

Like in person, you know, when I was in

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

Kind of that type of thing, like you kind of adapt to the person. That's the style I prefer as

Erin:

Yeah. Like, yeah. And I, I've also had cli the, I don't know how I, the therapist I have now is amazing, but I've also had

tanya:

Same.

Erin:

one time, oh my God. This was, this was the last session I had with her, so she, so she ended up like, sometimes she'd bring her dog into session, which is okay, I can handle that. Like, it's like. Just in the room, but it was very dirty and it was like this little white barky, an old dog. And so it was really smelly. Yeah, really smelly.

tanya:

Ugh,

Erin:

But then one day she, so she had the dog in there, but then one day. You know, and I love animals, but her cat was in session too, and her cat was in a carrier. Yeah, her cat was in a carrier in the back of the room, and she's like, she's like, you don't mind, I brought my cat here. I have to bring her to the vet right after session. She's really sick and she kept checking on her cat throughout the session. She also has the smelly dog in session. So I was just like, oh my God, I, I love dogs and I love cats. And I was like, Nope, not seeing you again ever again. So, and then, then I just, that, that was a deal breaker for me. It was just, and before that she was fine. She was okay, you know, not great, but she was.

tanya:

Well, could see how that could be very uncomfortable for you because it's like, okay, you know, if somebody's coming into your space, right? Like, and, and I think you and I are on the same wavelength with, with this, maybe everybody else kind of feels like I'm just gonna be me, and whoever likes me will stay with me. But I, I think that that's a little, personally, I think that's a little unfair as a therapist because. You, you want to, I mean, you don't have to change everything about yourself. Obviously,

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

some sort of like theoretical perspective and your personality traits are gonna remain stable. Right. But you're

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

I think just kind of being able to say like, Hey, maybe if I have a, a, a, you know, a sick cat that maybe I can't really focus on this person and

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

thinking about their, like, if this may be smelly and uncomfortable for this other person, it

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

really in tune with you

Erin:

yeah. And I, and I, and I even asked her a couple times, like, you wanna cancel a session? Do you need to go now? You know, because she, she seriously checked.

tanya:

like,

Erin:

seriously checked on the cat a couple times and I was just like, this is. It shouldn't be my job as a client to make sure she's okay. Just like, you know, going back to our, our movie Cole was kind of taking care of the doctor a couple times too.

tanya:

Yeah. This little kid and his mom too,

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

He's like basically like taking on a full-time job at

Erin:

yeah. No wonder what he was having to struggle in pretending to go to school.

tanya:

Yeah. I wouldn't want to go either. Yeah. He's already working. But yeah, no, that's a good point though. It, it really is. I think I. Like, you know, and, and therapy style is, that's why people maybe shop around or kind of look for different therapists, because some people you just may not click with. And then, so like, I have had therapists in the past that been kind of, that like surround themselves in blankets and, and, and I have nothing against a blanket, you know,

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

this was

Erin:

I like, I like blankets.

tanya:

But like, I, I don't know, maybe from New England we're just kind of not as like.

Erin:

Yeah, don't touch me. Yeah,

tanya:

I

Erin:

yeah. Well, I, yeah, and I just think of all the, I mean, I'm not a germaphobe totally, but I just like, but I just don't, yeah. It, it is like anytime. I love, I think, I love that I do my therapy online now and like I don't have to worry if she is, you know, if she has 50 pillows on her. Couch or if she has zero pillows and I like pillows on my couch at home. Like, but, and I'm fine cuddling with them, but I know

tanya:

you know where they've been.

Erin:

Yeah, I know, I know the four people who, who have been cuddling them, but it's like not. Yeah, you do. Because I've seen on my own couch when I had a, when I had. Like, some of the clients would like take their feet off, take their shoes, take their feet off, take their shoes off,

tanya:

Just pop off.

Erin:

and then like, you're, you're like, oh my gosh, what are they doing to that pillow? You know? Like, they're just like,

tanya:

Like, this isn't your house. I know you wanna get comfortable, but don't put your, your, your feet up on like,

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

that's gross.

Erin:

it is.

tanya:

a thing with feet like

Erin:

Yeah, me too.

tanya:

ugh.

Erin:

I don't,

tanya:

like

Erin:

I don't wanna see them. They're so gross. They're like.

tanya:

client asked and was like, Hey, like in my like per, like, you know, I mean, you could do whatever you want virtually, right? If they have their shoes

Erin:

Yeah. Yeah. I don't care.

tanya:

But like, if, if you know in person, if they were like, Hey, could I, can I take my shoes? Like when I used to work with kids, some of'em would say that, and I didn't find that that weird,'cause I'm like, well they're just trying to get comfortable, you know, whatever. But like, I'd just have to say the majority of them asked,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

you

Erin:

And yeah, and then usually I'm like, oh yeah, sure. And then, but I'm always like. I don't know. I, I don't know. I guess I'm just a different person. I guess. I, well, I know I never would do that because

tanya:

Yeah. No, I wouldn't either. I would never want to feel that, like I wanna, I wanna feel comfortable about

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

feelings that doesn't

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

to do

Erin:

And even any, any doctor's appointments I have that I feel like I'm gonna have to get put in, like a gown or a Johnny or whatever. And like, I always bring socks if I'm not, you know, like I always, like if I'm wearing shoes that don't have socks, if I'm wearing like something I always. Bring a pair of socks in my purse and just put them on for the appointments.

tanya:

I, I totally, I understand that. Yeah. You just want that,

Erin:

I don't want you to look at my feet. Yeah, don't look at my feet.

tanya:

don't wanna put them like in anything that, like, I don't know how sanitized that

Erin:

Yeah. I don't wanna touch the floor or anything. Yeah,

tanya:

Yeah. So you've learned that we're both just kind of a little bit of, we're, we're a little bit of germophobes. We're

Erin:

I guess.

tanya:

I

Erin:

I guess so. Yeah. I guess it's the anxiety I.

tanya:

I think it's a reasonable thing. Yeah. We are pretty anxious. We are pretty like germ aware, I

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

don't think we're, I, there's probably a lot of people that would relate to

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

some people, if that's your thing, you know, whatever. If that's something you need to feel comfortable like virtually, whatever, you can pretty much do whatever. As long as you're not like swinging, swinging back drinks and like naked or anything.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

kind, you know, anything appropriate, basically.

Erin:

Please don't do it on the bathroom. Don't, don't do your sessions on, on the toilet.

tanya:

And not driving either,

Erin:

Yes.

tanya:

that's like you may say like, oh, I'm just talking, but you're also processing some hard stuff. And that can be

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

hazard. I actually

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

take, not, I

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

Hey, call me back when you can pull over or when you have time, or

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

reschedule

Erin:

Yeah. But again, if you're Dr. Crow, you can do it on the bus

tanya:

Yeah,

Erin:

Cole.

tanya:

exactly. Yeah. If you, he can do it just about anywhere he can fit in.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

But yeah, so that was a, a little aside into our, our, our realms of, of therapy. But

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

do think it is like everybody's personal style of therapy. There's no, there's no right or wrong way. It's kind of how you work with it and it

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

And then. The, the, the client can decide how that works for them.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

and, but I think like Aaron and I, we tend to kind of say, Hey, and I, I would probably say quite a few therapists, I would hope Right. Tend to adapt to kind of saying, oh, if I, like, say for instance, if I had like a, like a very, like religious symbol in my background or something, I, I probably wouldn't do that because I think that's kind of.

Erin:

Hmm.

tanya:

Exclusionary unless I was like somebody who, who like said, Hey, I'm a Christian

Erin:

there.

tanya:

or whatever, or

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

like, and they, people knew about that, but

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

secular therapist, I, I probably wouldn't do that. You know, so

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

just kind of being aware of those things. But they're, I, I've seen some, some people, some therapists have surprised me and some stories I've heard, I don't know how accurate

Erin:

Right. Yeah,

tanya:

they might be, and that's,

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

heard some too.

Erin:

I have heard some where some therapists will pray with their clients at the end, in the beginning, even if they're not asked or if they're not. I. You know, it's just, yeah. Uh, Florida.

tanya:

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. Erin. Erin is in Florida and, and I'm not, I mean, it just tends to be, I've had that experience actually when I, when I lived there, I had a therapist who was did not disclose because you're, you're. Your therapy papers when you do, you know, your intake packet are supposed to disclose your, your type of therapy, and you're not supposed to impose stuff that you don't disclose. Like if somebody, if, if you're like, Hey, I'm a Christian therapist or whatever, and that's in, in your intake paperwork, you

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

I mean, that's kind of like, okay, the client goes there knowing that. Right. But I, I had a therapist and I will never forget this person. I went there for maybe three times. She did not disclose that she was Christian based at all.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

and, and again, I'm not saying anything against that. I'm just saying there's, I had no awareness of this. I went in and I was talking about things and I had some, some friends who are, who are gay, and she gave me a whole lecture on how she believes in. Adam and Eve, not

Erin:

Uh, yeah.

tanya:

was saying like, and, and it had nothing to do with, I wasn't talking about anything inappropriate. I

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

yeah, my friend, like his, his boyfriend or something just kind of brought up a random thing and

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

had to make it a point to, to let me know, you know, like I don't believe in that, which is

Erin:

Right,

tanya:

It was not, it was not integral to, to my therapy. And so I just was like, that is a prime case of somebody

Erin:

right,

tanya:

Stuff on you.

Erin:

right.

tanya:

was just like, okay, this person is, and the way she said it to me, she also told me, if you're an introvert, you shouldn't be a therapist. Because I was going for, to be a therapist, and I was like, I'm very introverted. I'm worried about my energy levels because I am introverted and working with people one-on-one is better than a group. That's why I'm decided not to be a teacher.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

you know, and she was like, well, you can't, why, why would you decide that? And was like, you can't do that.

Erin:

Right.

tanya:

She just had very fixed ideas. But she ever hears this or if anybody knows who I'm talking about, that is the example of how I would never wanna ever, ever do therapy or make someone feel

Erin:

Yeah,

tanya:

made me feel like crap. And that was like 15 years ago.

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

remember that.

Erin:

yeah. People, yeah. I had, I had one who discouraged me from going to grad school, and, and I'm like, like. Don't do that. You know, like the same one discouraged me from trying to get a kitten and trying to get a puppy. Like, it's like, it's like, oh my God, don't tell me your views, because you know, like, yeah, like you're supposed to listen and guide, not tell me, you know, not to get stuff because you don't want animals or you don't, you know, I don't know. People are,

tanya:

it's not about your life. It's about. How

Erin:

yeah.

tanya:

of that person's life, again, that's,

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

that's a key thing. I don't know why people would wanna be a therapist without

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

that.

Erin:

Yeah. But

tanya:

Okay. So we, we, we, we went off on that,

Erin:

yeah.

tanya:

Let's move on to the fun question.

Erin:

Okay.

tanya:

So, if you could have any type of psychic power. What would you like to have in terms of like telekinesis being able to like, kind of transport anywhere or you know, be able to move things psychically or be able to read people's minds like clairvoyance.

Erin:

Oh, okay. Like fire starter, like Carrie

tanya:

Yeah.

Erin:

or uh, or not Carrie Fire Starter was fire starter.

tanya:

That

Erin:

I don't know.

tanya:

drew Barrymore,

Erin:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I think, I think I would like the ability to read minds, but I would like to not have it on all the time.

tanya:

Yeah, that's the thing. I think that that would be a cool one to know, but I also think it would kind of do something

Erin:

It's also very invasive, isn't it? It's like you're, you're, and that's not really, I mean,'cause then you're spying and you're. Lying and you're cheating. It's very, it's just like reading someone's phone all the time. It's

tanya:

Yeah, that'd be a

Erin:

I don't, I don't know, I guess, I dunno, I guess that would be my top, but I think I also, it would be kind of cool to be able to lift stuff. Like if I wanted to just move, clean my house without, you know, kind of like

tanya:

Yeah.

Erin:

Fantasia just do you know, whatever, like, or baity boop, you know, just have episode, everyone's just cleaning for me, all my brooms and stuff. Yeah.

tanya:

Birds are singing. Yeah.

Erin:

What about you? What would you like?

tanya:

I think I'd like to like tele transport,

Erin:

Oh

tanya:

would just like, like to be in a specific place. Like I don't, I don't like waiting, you know, taking long plane rides and I think I

Erin:

yeah,

tanya:

to be in

Erin:

oh yeah,

tanya:

Norway

Erin:

If we could do that and then where You're not broken up in a million pieces. You're just like back

tanya:

like actually transports

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

Yeah, that'd

Erin:

to Norway.

tanya:

Yeah, that'd be fun. And then like

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

come back on the same day and

Erin:

Yeah. That'd be nice. You could tell me how all the, how all the puffins are doing

tanya:

Yeah, I think

Erin:

so

tanya:

But

Erin:

that would be fun.

tanya:

yeah, so this was a very hacked.

Erin:

Yes. Yeah.

tanya:

episode. We, we gave you our, our perspectives, you know, on, on therapy as well as, uh,

Erin:

Dr. Crows.

tanya:

Sense.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

Yeah. Dr. Crows and, and Coles. But

Erin:

Yeah. He, he is a very, one thing, he is a very hard worker though. Like, he never stops, like he just,

tanya:

you

Erin:

yeah, he's a good, he's a very, very hard worker.

tanya:

Yeah. He definitely wants to make progress and

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

good. But, which actually is something else with when he says, you know, I wanted to tell, he wanted to tell his wife that like, you were never second, because she kind of felt like she was second because of how much he

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

work

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

kind of thing. That's interesting. Yeah.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

But yeah, so let's, let's close that out here.

Erin:

Okay.

tanya:

know what you think. You know, we, we thought this was interesting and a lot of themes. tell us what you think, if you watched it way back when and rewatched it, uh, you know, recently, like we have, or just whatever. Also any topics, anything for the future.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

planned out over the next couple months, but

Erin:

Yep.

tanya:

would like to hear from you.

Erin:

Yep. We're open to documentary shows, movies, or even topics like we still do that every once in a while. Like if there's something that,

tanya:

Yeah,

Erin:

know, if there's any Winona and Cher movie that we forgot, let us know.

tanya:

I'm sure there are. Yeah.

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

Yeah. We would love that.

Erin:

Next week, it won't be released for a while. We're recording next week, Mr. Deeds. So we're going back to a Nono for a minute.

tanya:

yeah. And we're getting on a little bit of a, an Adam Sandler like

Erin:

yeah, yeah. He's fun. So yeah, so if you know any Adam Sandler stuff that we might be forgetting, don't worry. Water boy's coming?

tanya:

yeah, we got, we got water Boy after that. And yeah, so we're going on a little, M Sandler stuff, but

Erin:

Yeah.

tanya:

have a couple I have in mind for that.

Erin:

Oh, good.

tanya:

But yeah. Follow us on socials. We're now on YouTube.

Erin:

Mm-hmm.

tanya:

YouTube channel and yeah, write us a review. It helps us out. Let us

Erin:

Yes,

tanya:

If you wanna add anything, anything, anything and everything, we'd love to hear from you. So, and don't forget, stay wicked.

Erin:

and keep your mind well. All right. Have a great week. Bye-bye.

tanya:

Bye guys.

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