Question Everything: The Psychology of Survival in Silo

What happens to the human mind when you’re trapped in an underground society with no access to the past? 

In this episode of Wicked Psychotherapists, we dive into the psychological and sociological themes of Apple TV’s Silo. 

From collective trauma and authoritarian control to rebellion, mental health repression, and free will, we explore the hidden layers of this dystopian world. 

Join us as we break down the power structures, groupthink, and individual struggles within the Silo—where questioning the rules can be a death sentence.

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0:08

You are listening to Wicked Psychotherapists, a podcast where two psychotherapists show you that taking care of and learning about mental health doesn't have to be wicked hat.

Erin: 0:31

Hey guys, this is Tanya. Hi, this is Erin and welcome to Wicked Psychotherapist.

tanya: 0:36

yeah, this week we are diving into a really, interesting series on Apple called Silo, which is for our sci-fi dystopian themed, lovers of different shows It's a little bit different probably than what we normally do, but we really love this silo was, something that, we both thought was really good. We were really excited about that with the, season two coming out and everything. And looking forward to season three, which has not been announced. Likely they said an end of 25 or maybe. 26. they don't have a particular date yet. But, there are so many mental health, psychological, sociological points of view in this. Mm-hmm. It's a really cool concept. Really loved the setup of how they started to dive into The whole concept of the silo in and of itself and how we're introduced to it, and that just the strangeness of it. The weirdness of, you know, that people are living in this underground structure where it's got different levels and it's kind of like a spiral,

Erin: 1:42

right?

tanya: 1:43

Spiral staircase that kind of carries them up like a big giant silo, and that different levels kind of indicate different hierarchies and its own self-sustaining, bio verse, but the thing that we start to notice is people cannot question a lot of. The things around the history of the silo, things that happened before The silos history. Yeah,

Erin: 2:08

the before times the government.

tanya: 2:09

Yeah. Like anything outside of just surviving within the structure that's set up for them. I really thought that that was kind of, a little bit crazy and Really cool though to see like, oh wow, there's different levels where there's, you know, people that are growing food on this level. There's judicial, which is the governing body and has a very high standing In the government, right. So that kind of says something in and of itself. And we start to learn these different characters and in different people that are. kind of questioning the status quo. They've been maybe having to live and say like, okay, these are the rules. we look at the collective and the overall good instead of just the individual but some people, start to kind of question what this is about. The first two characters we meet are, the sheriff and his wife of the silo. And they're trying to have a child. And in this system, they have to ask permission and they have to be chosen in a lottery to be able to have, a child. And I guess every woman who is of childbearing age has an automatic, like IUD esque type, something placed inside of them. It's only when they're chosen that they can have it out and then try for a baby for like a year. Like, they have only a small amount of time to do it. And it's with this kind of key point that, the wife starts to kind of question things. She starts to hear other things about, they don't want you to have a baby. Of course you're not going to, because ultimately they, they are not able to get pregnant. When they're chosen and we start to learn a lot of things, that opens up a lot of, you know, this seemingly kind of functioning system has a lot, a lot of cracks in it. I mean, talk about, you know, it reflecting reality, it's, you know, there's a lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes and things that are not, you know, are presented one way but are actually very different in this system. So yeah, that's, that's really how we, we get introduced to this atmosphere of the silo. It's so dingy and gross and, you figure it's been

Erin: 4:12

140 years of people living underground in this, you know, tube silo thing. So it's probably not, you know, even though they have things circulated, it's probably not always the cleanest air

tanya: 4:23

You know, I just thought of something. Where do they, where do they, when people die, where do They bury them in

Erin: 4:27

the garden.

tanya: 4:28

In the garden, That was shown. But that is,

Erin: 4:30

that was shown in one of the episodes where they bury them and they put apples over them and stuff or something and just kind of used them as. Fertilizer.

tanya: 4:38

So they're, your dead body is used to help sustain the silo. Like everything is literally helping to sustain itself. But there's so many themes here that involve, psychology, mental health, because anytime you have a closed system, there's definitely going to be, some stuff that comes outta that. You know, and then, we see that the sheriff's wife, she really is questioning, to the point where she ends up ripping out her IUD and I. You know, saying she wants to go out, which apparently that declaration, if you say I want to go outside of the silo, which is just so, taboo to say, if you say that you will be sent outside, which is supposed to be this poisoned air place where you will not, Nobody's ever survived. Yeah,

Erin: 5:17

he just died. Oh, that's, they're, yeah. It's like a death sentence. And it's one of those things too, once you say it, you can't say it. Be like, oh, but he's just kidding. So, yeah. Yeah. So she, she says it, she ends up going out a while later. Her husband, who's the sheriff, does the same and he appoints somebody from, you know, down beneath and mechanical to become sheriff. And that's where a lot more questioning comes in to the entire, too, the series. And it starts to. You really start to realize all the psychological ramifications and impact that living in the silo has on all of these people.

tanya: 5:53

Yeah. And that brings into mind like the structure of the hierarchy, of the different levels of the silo. The down deep is kind of known as the untouchables the people that are not looked well upon, but they keep the silo running with the generator. They have the most important job yet. They are not really respected and They're looked down upon. the sheriff decides before he goes out, he wants to appoint Juliet who becomes this. She's kind of like the badass, you know, worker and the, the, the down deep. She keeps the generator going. She has a natural sense to the generator. She understands its rhythms and everything she's very much this kind of heroine, character. She's the hero. Yeah. And she's been there since she

Erin: 6:35

was 13, so she really knows the lay of the land and how things are made. You know,'cause the person who kind of was like her. Pseudo parents since she was 13, is all, is a big tinkerer and likes to build stuff and take things apart, Walker. And so it seems like Juliet has an innate ability to question things and to fix things and just understand things that other people don't really question or wanna know how they're, how they're made, or. What is causing people to behave a certain way or different things.

tanya: 7:09

Yeah. And in that we also see within Juliet's personal history, you know, her, her brother died when she was younger of an illness that really couldn't be helped. and then her mom ultimately, you know, was, unli herself, because of that factor. And I think from that, Juliette was from a young age, very kind of angry, upset, disconnected, but also kind of put her at a different place to not be within the silo in and of itself, and kind of move along with what was expected of her. Mm-hmm. And I think she really did question things and she wanted to be in a place such as the down deep, the lower, levels to be like, okay, I can actually do something that makes a difference. Right. And I'm not, I'm not just kind of, you know, living this lie. Well, it kind of feels like a lie.

Erin: 7:55

Yeah. And she would've been able to, it's interesting too that she chose to live there because she would've probably had a very. Almost like a posh life because her father was a doctor and she would've been up a lot of levels. Like there probably wouldn't have been a lot of difficulty for her, but she chose a very difficult physical life for herself.

tanya: 8:16

Yeah. And she does say something like, you know, when she's working or something like it, it kind of keeps her her mind off of things. Like she kind of can't think of how painful probably losing her brother and her mother really is. And so she just needs to kind of keep busy. She goes down at a very young age and Yeah. You know, her dad ultimately sees, okay, maybe she needs this and mm-hmm. Gets taken in by, by Walker. And like you said, Walker is kind of more her, her mother figure, and she's known in the down deep as somebody who really knows her stuff. She really is connected with this. She really, I think, needed some truth in that way. Right. She needed some. validation that okay, there's something that there's a problem to be fixed and, and I can come up with a solution. As opposed to all these rules that she was sensing, you know, maybe stuff was just off. This wasn't supporting life in a good life, you know? in the rest of the silo.

Erin: 9:08

Yeah.

tanya: 9:08

Yeah.

Erin: 9:09

it, and also, I was gonna say, like you probably even have, asking her father and going down to mechanical was probably her way of figuring out her grief and, you know, being physical with everything was probably her way of processing things too. Because yeah, she doesn't always have to think about the people she lost, but she's also able to fix something and to stay busy and keep her mind busy. And it does seem like her. Person that she was kind of stuck with. Walker is somebody who likes to talk and probably would help her process some of those feelings when she was ready.

tanya: 9:41

Yeah, she definitely kind of has that tough love approach of kind of like, okay, this is, you know, I'll give you this, but you kind of need to move on to, to do this too. Right? Like kind of that, you know, structure she needed. Right. And she was pretty real with her, so I think that's kind of what she needed. But, yeah, Juliet is the main protagonist. She's the character that kind of pushes all the bounds helps us to be able to see that there is a lot of crap that's being covered up by the government

Erin: 10:07

mm-hmm.

tanya: 10:07

Of the silo. There are things going on behind the scenes that are keeping people in the dark, keeping them ignorant from questioning the outside, even the, The thing where they can see outside in the world is, possibly some sort of, you know, at first they think is, or Juliette starts to suspect is maybe some sort of, not a real representation of the outside world. And so just kind of even questioning the entire system of things.

Erin: 10:33

Mm-hmm.

tanya: 10:34

And it really, you really see how an isolated society and the fact that they are not allowed to, to, there's no, you know, in the rebellion, they always talk about the rebellion, you know, and how they're, the founders are like heroes. And the rebellion was, you know, they, they burned all the, the books and the things that they, they had to, you know, from the, the world before. And possession of any relics or things that are from the world before, such as his dispenser, which you'll, you'll see playing out there. You know, is, is something that is forbidden. It's something that could get you quote, unquote, sent to the outside. Mm-hmm. Which again, is like a death sentence.

Erin: 11:12

Yeah. you don't wanna have a relic, you don't wanna talk about the time before. You're not allowed to, you're not allowed to question anything, which, you know, again, these people are just supposed to trust. trust their government, trust everyone who's told the stories or just like, all right, you know, the thing that they always say, like, we don't know why we're here, or how long we'll be here. We know we've been here for at least 140 years, so they don't really question it. They just, you know, they're like, all right, we don't have any old books. We don't have this. We're just, you know, from this point on. You know, we're just keep keep on doing what we're told.

tanya: 11:46

Yeah. And I think that's a survivalist mentality, right? Of like, you know, this is what we need to kind of keep this sustained because otherwise there's going to be something that upsets the balance. And this silo depends on balance and, structure. And I think Juliet threatens that for them. And so she becomes kind of problem. She discovers a lot of things that, because she ultimately does become sheriff, and by doing so, she kind of has access to some other things that she starts to see, that there are a lot of behind the scenes things that are not known to the public, that she's, it starts to have her questioning more and more, To the point where she is, sent to clean outside. Mm-hmm. Yeah. they make it up that she says it

Erin: 12:27

Like, they're like, oh, Julia just said she's gonna clean. She's like, no, I never said that. The, government or whoever, you know, like is a little more powerful. And so it's very easy to convince everybody else that this is what, you know, this is what we heard. This is what she said. Yeah. They

tanya: 12:41

have total authoritarian rule of like, if we said this, that's what goes. So they're very much a, you know, this is, what we say goes, and even to the point of making stuff up, which they do in several instances. Mm-hmm. they kind of just plant evidence. they do various things just to be able to say, this is how things need to run. So it's very authoritarian. it's not a democracy at all because, I think they allude to this at some point, like, a democracy wouldn't work in this because we need this to survive.

Erin: 13:08

which is interesting too because I think the people believe that they're in a democracy, because you'll even see, like at the very beginning when they're talking to the old mayor before she, she died. Some people are like, oh, mayor, blah, blah, blah. I voted for you and I'll vote for you again for the next election. You know, she's been, she was mayor for like 40 years, but I don't think that they really have a choice of who is elected or who is chosen. I think they have the illusion that they have that choice.

tanya: 13:36

that's kind of, I think, you know, there's various characters that do question or seek out knowledge. Like Lucas is somebody that Juliet meets, that he's trying to figure out why the stars move or what's going on. Why are they in different places? Because there's no knowledge of astronomy.

Erin: 13:54

he doesn't even know that they're called stars. He's just like the dots or the light.

tanya: 13:57

Yeah. the dots of light, you know? So there, there's very much this setup of what, what people know and what they, they don't know. And there almost has to be an ignorance on the part of people being kept in the dark in order for this to continue to, function. But Juliet and other people, they don't necessarily see it that way. And they want to try and discover this and, Juliet ultimately gets sent out to claim because yeah, they, they said that she wanted to, when she did not say that, and she discovers that, if she uses a particular type of special tape that can, keep out, the, the poison and, and we are, we're a little unclear on this. We were talking about this. We weren't sure if it was that the suit was poisoning, people who would go out to clean, or if it's something in the atmosphere that keeps, the poison from coming through the suit. But Juliet discovers something and that if this special tape, which has magnetic properties, is placed on my, my outfit and this, this will actually, or the suit, then I will actually be able to. Survive this more than likely. So she feels confident, like, oh, I can go and explore and kind of see what's beyond this.

Erin: 15:05

Yeah. And then she has Walker helper, get the tape and then that's a whole thing too. But yeah, it's very interesting too, even though whole, you know, again, going back to the psychological aspect, it. You know, like everyone watches too. I always, I think that's kind of interesting. They all watch the person go out into clean or go out. So it's almost like the whole silo is watching this person go to their death. They know. Usually people don't make it. It's like maybe they'll make it to the hill and pass out, but, and they all want them to clean because then they could see what it looks like. Oh, it's still crummy and dead. All right. we can't go out. We have to stay.

tanya: 15:41

Yeah. I think it's so interesting that they call it going out to clean when it's basically saying you have a choice to help out these people knowing you're going to die. I mean, ultimately, before Julia discovered this ultimately everybody would die that would go out and be sent out to clean. And you can help us to clear and watch that and continue to cause this cycle of them understanding that this is the way you have to behave. This is the consequence. Mm-hmm. Or you can just go ahead and be selfish, with the understanding that, people will want to see. To, to be able to see this. And what we figure out is that they are planting a false image in the Yeah. In the suit of them, you know, when, when you walk out, there's kind of this like VR type image That's being projected, into the people in the suit that looks like it's, blue skies And, green grass and birds flying in the air. And so that's why they're cleaning. That's why the people ultimately like up until Juliet had always cleaned, because that's what they're seeing and they want people to have a clear image of this, right? So they would clean to be like that. But that, you know, the motive on the government's part more than likely was to be like, watch the consequences of what happens. Get a clear review of that,

Erin: 16:56

Yeah.

tanya: 16:57

And so that's so psychologically manipulative.

Erin: 16:59

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So we're gonna let you feel like, okay, this is really beautiful and clean. I see the birds flying. I want everybody to see this, but the government it, and everyone still knows they're gonna die in like five seconds because either the suit is poison him, or the air is poison him. But we know something and we know what is really gonna be what it really is gonna look like.

tanya: 17:21

Yeah. except for with Juliet, because she figures out something with the tape and using the tape, and she is able to get past that point that everyone literally dies

Erin: 17:30

on, on a hill down a hill. Yeah. She stumbled a little bit and everyone thought that she was going to die right at that same spot, but then she made it over the hill and that caused a lot of controversy too, because that hasn't, that hasn't happened before. Then they lose their control. cause they say once you're outside, we can't control what you're gonna do.'cause they know they're usually gonna die. But then she makes it over the hill. Then it's like, oh no. Now it's fear. What are we, you know, what are we gonna do? She's, she's left and now these people are gonna start having free thought and being able to start questioning things and that can cause its own issue. When you're in. Sustained unit like the silo.

tanya: 18:12

They lost control of that and that people may want to go out You know, whatever it is that ultimately is controlled so that all that quote unquote poisonous air, we're not really quite sure. We're gonna probably find out in season three what this is all about. Yeah.

Erin: 18:24

If it is poisonous or if it's just something that they're. Able to pump just right outside of the silos. I'm thinking that somehow it or someone is just pumping poisonous gas just around the silo. But I don't know.

tanya: 18:41

That's what I had thought. It was either coming from the uniform or, yeah, around the perimeter, because they all kind of seem to die around the same time, you know? Before Juliet, you know, I actually was just thinking of something that I'm wondering if Juliet, is she kind of, she has a different character. She questions things because she actually changed her course in the silo. Like I think she was supposed to, you know, had she stayed with her father and had that kind of posh life, she maybe would have not had any reason to question it. I think she kind of felt like. There is something more, there's something like she, she was able to say, I need to live a life where I can question this.

Erin: 19:27

Yeah.

tanya: 19:28

I think that's really telling and symbolic of people living inside of, you know, controlled or authoritarian spaces, governments, things like that, that, you know, in order to be kind of considered like a rebel, you have to almost be made into an enemy. And that's kind of formed in, A different way. Yeah. You know, depending on people's life paths, and you can see it with Julia. Mm-hmm. I just was thinking about that. Yeah. And she, she literally changed the course of it and Yeah. And it kind of created that.

Erin: 20:00

Yeah. was forced to question things and learn, even though they didn't have like, traditional books or anything like that because she, because if she didn't go down to mechanical, she would've. Been a probably a nurse with her father and just stayed in that role, But yeah, then she went down and met all these different people who, you know, who the rest of the silo probably never even got to know or wanted to get to know and realized is that, oh, they have really good character, they're hard workers. Community is important to. It did, it did get her to question things and made her realize that she's a leader and just all these e even though she's the main guy, shadow, she acts more in charge. Everybody listens to her more than she does him.

tanya: 20:52

Yeah, she's the person that knows ultimately. She is, a force to be reckoned with and she's the first one, you know, not surprisingly that can go beyond that point. beyond the point where everybody dies on the hill on the outside, she does not clean. She rebels against that. she kind of has, she's the first person to do a lot of stuff Ultimately we see that she feels the air running out and she's able to find another silo.

Erin: 21:16

She

tanya: 21:16

realizes, oh my gosh, there's another silo out here.

Erin: 21:19

Yeah.

tanya: 21:20

And this silo was once the same probably as her silo. Mm-hmm. But, it's. Basically, almost extinct. It's not like a functioning silo.

Erin: 21:28

Yeah, yeah. Where they opened the hatch or whatever, and it seemed like there was a rebellion that just did not go well.

tanya: 21:36

Yeah. Everyone started to die at a certain point and we're still not completely clear as to why. If it was, you know, because people started to think, it sounds like they, There was something saying like, oh, this is, a myth or something, this error, whatever. Mm-hmm. Which is kind of, I actually thought that too at some point. So it's almost kind of like different stages of rebellions and who knows With we learned there's other silos too, out there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. what do they say? 52?

Erin: 22:04

52 silos total or something?

tanya: 22:07

I think so. Yeah, but, and so, I don't know, maybe there's various, it's almost kind of like, it seems almost like an experiment, you know? Like there's experiments.

Erin: 22:14

watching because they have like where Lucas and SIM's wife ended up talking to, the AI person or whatever it was. So it seems like there's either another silo watching them or something is controlling. Everything. And maybe it's just a weird experiment on humanity.

tanya: 22:36

Yeah. and I mean maybe it's, you know, as some article I read posited, like, is it just ai? Is this how humanity ends? Is this how, you know, like humanity ends up being controlled by, you know, ai, that's just a, a positive theory. I have no idea if that's what it, but we're probably going to learn more about that in season three. I just think it's, it's really interesting, all these different points of, you know, societal control, control and power hierarchy, collective, collective psychology, right? How you have to be able to have something to function. Everyone has to believe the same things and have it play their roles. Everybody has their own role to play. Yeah. And they have to maintain that. You can't imagine somebody. Being able to call out sick because then it's just like the silo doesn't function,

Erin: 23:22

Well, they can't, like the first woman that you're talking about, the first sheriff's wife, she would call in sick, but you'd have to pay credits. It almost like you'd have to pay to call in sick. Yeah. You had to give credit to, yeah. It's a lot of sacrifice. Yeah.

tanya: 23:37

Yeah. And you know, at what point is there truth and at what point is there order kind of thing, you know, and what's for the greater good and what is something where people are just taking power and using it for themselves? And I think that's a question that carries all Yeah.

Erin: 23:53

Well, and that's what you wonder too, the it. Guy that Tim Robbins, I can't remember his Bernard or something, he is now like the self-appointed mayor and it, and so he, he seems like the power is very important to him. He seems like he's, in it for, who can I hurt? Who can I, what can I control? It does not seem like it's for the good of the silo. It seems like it's for the good of him.

tanya: 24:18

Yeah, and I do wonder if that's kind of what it like in these silo setups, it seems like there has to be, in order for this to run only a very few people who have the power, the knowledge, the control, and the knowledge is the power a lot of the times. And the awareness and how that ultimately is something that. You know, can get to people's heads and kind of realize this is the only way I can have any sort of maybe distinguishing myself from everything else in the misery of everything. Yeah. And then that can just, you know, kind of topple the whole system of like, is this a, you know, something that's justice for everyone. Is this fair for everyone? And, you know, obviously not, but yeah, it kind of highlights the danger of, of really, authoritarian governments or ruling bodies. Yeah. But at the same point, you see, when everybody is ready to rebel and like kind of run out of the hatch and everything, that's dangerous too, possibly, right? Yeah. So it's, it's tough. It's tough to have that balance.

Erin: 25:21

yeah, and I do understand that too, like the need for limiting. Information, but it also seems like there could be a balance where people do know a little bit more of the truth, but it's difficult and I know they're probably just trying to shelter them. This is what we've been doing for 140 years. We don't allow anyone to have free thought or really have too much knowledge because for fear that they will wanna leave.

tanya: 25:46

Yeah. And they'd wanna build their own things. They'd wanna have their own control over certain things. Knowing that like, oh, I could have this. They don't even know what they can't have. Or what they, what is possible. Because once you have that, then people want things for themselves. It's not for the greater good. Like constantly the way that this so purely is designed to be.

Erin: 26:04

Yeah.

tanya: 26:04

And so it really is for survival for that. But at the same point. People are individuals. They're going to want to know things. They're going to want to feel things, they're going to wanna have things. And I think that's the biggest struggle that we see. Yeah. Throughout. but with Julia, we see that she just kind of, she wants truth and she wants things to be, fair, you know? And so I think that is something that is different. And that stands out. Yeah. As you know, the protagonist, the main character person, and she has, I mean, she really has like a strength like no other. When she gets into the other silo and she go down with the kind of scuba diving equipment that she rigs up Solo. Yeah. I'm just like, holy crap, that is frightening. And that water is probably gross and icky and dirty. I just, it icks me out. I mean,

Erin: 26:54

no, and, and especially she had mentioned in the other silo what a fear of water that she had because she mm-hmm. Wouldn't be able to go down all the, the rope all the way like George did, because she's like, oh my gosh, it's water. You don't know how deep it is. You don't know what it is. We've never seen water this big. And so then she's going into it. Silo. Silo to silo. And it's, it's just as deep, just as dark. But she's like, I need to do this. I have to get this helmet. I need to get the, you know, I need to go in. And so she works through her fear and her anxiety.

tanya: 27:31

Yeah, and it really, she really is. She is ultimately, I think, working for the greater good for people to be able to see this and to know this, this is not a selfish need, but she is kind of pushing the boundaries for that. Like she just knows that there's something more going on.

Erin: 27:47

Yeah.

tanya: 27:48

And yeah, it really does freak me out though when she runs out of air or it stops suddenly and then she gets pulled up to the surface I think this is a really interesting show. A series where, you know, it's going to continue on. We don't know for how many seasons yet, but there is going to be another season. if you like, talking about, sci-fi and there's kind of this social psychology slash psychological elements that are built in with like political undertones. This is definitely a really good, series to watch

Erin: 28:22

dystopia. Yeah. Yeah. And it does have, like Tanya and I were talking before too, it's like has so many different tenets with psychological, like, you know, you have the, you know, people have like the disorder that they talk about the, and, but it's probably just like a lot of anxiety, you know, like where they get the shaky hands and you know Oh, the syndrome. And you have family dynamics. You have. group think, collectivism, you know, like you have the government, you have, you know, like a lot of different, and it's interesting too'cause they really can't talk about their psychological issues. They can't talk about their anxiety or their depression or their fears because No, there's no room for it. Yeah. so they just have to kind of work through it or act like it's not there.

tanya: 28:59

Yeah, it's very much, it gets very repressed and then it comes out in like ticks and spasms and, yeah. You know, like, uh, billings, sheriff fillings, I think it is. Uh, he has a syndrome and he's trying to hide it because you can't have, you, you, you get stigmatized, right. If you have that. Yeah. Almost like mental health, right? Yeah. Like, you don't, like, there's no room for it in this system at all to have individual symptoms towards this. You just need to keep functioning. Mm-hmm. You just need to keep the silo functioning right. You need to do your job, you need to, you know, so that, that gets very much kind of like. Weed it out as like, you can't show that if you have it. Mm-hmm. You know, even though of course people are gonna have Yeah. Anxiety and depression and mental health concerns. But yeah. So I, yeah, that was definitely a very interesting thing, the way and the way they call it the syndrome. Mm-hmm. You know, is, uh,

Erin: 29:45

yeah. And it's, and it's interesting too with him, I, his syndrome disappeared once he started to almost. When he started to go down to mechanical and he started to realize like, there's something bigger than me. I need to start questioning stuff. And that's when he noticed and his wife is like, wait a minute. You're not shaking. So it was like almost like that put in that energy somewhere else Helped. Helped his anxiety. Yeah.

tanya: 30:10

Yeah. Being able to, to see something more like I think to have his. His anxiety validated and his stress of like, there's something not right here, right? As a human being. And I, I can't voice this. I can't, I can't make this known, but it is going to come out in right, in these symptoms, you know? And so that's kind of ultimately the, the biggest repression of mental health symptoms, which that I think is at core of everything. But yeah, so this, this is definitely, this is one of Erin, you introduced me to this. I know. Oh, I did. Okay. You watched it with your husband and it was, you know, yeah. And the kids.

Erin: 30:49

Yeah, my kids, we, it's like a, it's a family show. We love it. It's, yeah. It's, it's really, it's, it's a good show.

tanya: 30:56

Yeah. It's, it's, it definitely is something that has a lot of interesting themes to it. That can be, if you're into, it's not even necessarily just sci-fi stuff. It's, it's more,'cause it gets described as sci-fi. But like Erin said, like dystopian and very much I think, I think there's a lot of social psychology and, and psychology Oh, yeah. And government. And it's, yeah.

Erin: 31:19

Lot of, lot of stuff. You could, even though it's a hundred, 140 years in the future, it's still pretty present day stuff too that you can take away.

tanya: 31:26

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I think we're just gonna find out even more about the origins, which I'm excited for, yeah. For season three. But yeah, so I am to come up to our, our question, this is more of a I don't know if it's a fun question, but I look forward to these. I, I like'em. The question that I have is, if you were, if you had to live in the silo, what level do you think you would wanna live in? Because we have discussed that the down deep is kind of more real. Yeah. There is, you know, even though people do look down and kind of, you know, look at this as like the, the untouchables or whatever, there's not very much respect. They have a lot more freedom and a lot more awareness mm-hmm. Of, of knowledge. But you know, and that the higher up is kind of more the, the educated and then kind of like government kind of, you know, like in professional careers. Yeah. Kind of that type of thing.

Erin: 32:21

Yeah. So, I don't know. I, I wonder if being in that silo, if you, if you don't have the crushing feeling of. Claustrophobia. Like, I just wonder like does that, does it feel open or do you feel like, oh my gosh, I just like, does it feel like you're on a cruise ship forever

tanya: 32:39

or That's, that's what I was thinking. It does feel very claustrophobic. Yeah. So

Erin: 32:43

I think I would want to somehow get a job where all the plants and everything,'cause that seems like the most open. So where they had all the gardens and the apple trees and cows. I would wanna figure out how I can be on that level.'cause that feels the least claustrophobic for me.

tanya: 33:03

I like that. And that'd probably be really healthy too. You want feel like you get some fresh air. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. You need to have access to that and be closer to that. Yeah, that's actually really good. Yeah.'cause every

Erin: 33:15

other thing,'cause when you see their little tiny apartments and everything else, Ugh, gosh. And it just seems so, except Walker's little Studio, she, even though she, she doesn't leave it for 25 years, it feels more open than everyone else. But yeah, it's just the, I don't think I'd be able to live way down. I just thinking like, oh my gosh, what if everything fell on top of me? But I yeah. Yeah. I'm a doomsday, but I just just the idea of the being claustrophobic, I guess. Once you're born in it, you don't really know anything else. It's, you probably don't have claustrophobia. Yeah,

tanya: 33:50

that's true. Yeah.'cause there were generations that were born Yeah. Into it. Yeah. Yeah. What

Erin: 33:55

about you? Where would you wanna live?

tanya: 33:57

I, I like your point about that with being near the, the plants and like being more, it would feel more open. I was originally thinking I would probably wanna be in the middle. Somewhere, because I think I would not wanna be up towards the top where there's more I feel like you're, you're closer to the government and they can kind of like survey you a little bit more. Yeah. But I think there's probably some resources that you'd have access to being in the middle, but you'd also be far enough away from the, like, eye of the government kind of thing. Yeah. So kind of like maybe a little bit more strategic.

Erin: 34:33

Mm-hmm.

tanya: 34:33

in terms of just the levels maybe? Yeah,

Erin: 34:35

and the middle looks a little more fun, so when you see them walking down, it always seems like the middle section, there's like, it's decorated a little bit more fun. The market is there, it's, it just seems a little more lively and less, I know. Brown and dirty and just,

tanya: 34:55

yeah. Yeah. It's more, more like they have like more events and like the, the celebration of like the founder's day or whatever. Yeah. It's always kind of there. Yeah. It's kinda like the general, like populace I think, you know, they're just like, yeah.

Erin: 35:10

So I think

tanya: 35:10

that would probably, that would probably be like, just kind of as like a, a safe spot. That'd probably be where I gravitate. Yeah.

Erin: 35:17

Well we can visit each other'cause I'd probably be a few floors up from you.

tanya: 35:23

Yeah, that'd be, yeah. I think I just wouldn't want the government on my, on my butt too much. Yeah. So, I don't know. But yeah. So let us know what, where you would, if, if you've seen this, there's a lot of spoilers in this. We're gonna have to put Yeah. Well, at the right. Spoiler. Spoiler, spoiler. Yeah. Yeah, because it's, it's a, it's a really great show. It really takes, I think a lot to kind of just invest in it, but like it's worth it. Mm-hmm. Like you get really, like I was really sucked in. Yeah. Like from the first episode, I thought, yeah. It was pretty good. But let us know what you think about it, what, what level you would see yourself as if you can even picture that. Because once you see these things, you might be like, no, just not gonna do that.

Erin: 36:07

Yeah. I would be curious what the very top level looks like.'cause I don't show that. Like, or is that where the, it is like very top, very top floor. Yeah.

tanya: 36:15

I don't know. That's a good question. I don't, I know that the, the Juliet's father is, is a doctor and he's kind of on one of the higher levels, right? Like when we, when she first. Sees him like, or visits somebody, visits him. Like you kind of see a little bit of it and you kind of are like, okay, there's a lot of like professionals up here, quote unquote, right. People that are needed you know, in terms of like those professions a lot, right? But we don't really get a sense of of that. So I'm not sure I. I also feel like my, my instinct is to go towards, like the place where there's the exit. I don't know. And, and that of course, that's just me thinking that now and not So you would wanna go outside? I'm just kidding. I, I think that would be my, my like, I'm always like, when I go to a hotel room, I always wanna sleep on the side where there's like a close, it's like closer to the door. Yeah. That's where I'm

Erin: 37:10

Yeah.

tanya: 37:11

Kind thing. So I. Yeah, let us let us know what you think. this was, this is definitely really something that, that we enjoyed and we will be you know, we look forward to any, anything that you, wanna let us know. Anything we left out, follow us on our socials. You know them by now at Wicked Psychotherapist

Erin: 37:35

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tanya: 37:36

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Erin: 37:39

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tanya: 37:42

if you wanna see my tired face and yeah, just, see me sleep

Erin: 37:46

because I can't make eye contact. My eyes can't stay open. I mean, I am, I'm awake, but for some reason when I'm on video it's like, what the hell? So,

tanya: 37:54

the eyes do their own thing. Yeah. They don't know

Erin: 37:56

what to do.

tanya: 37:57

But yeah, so, is good. But let us know, give us any comments, any suggestions for future episodes. We always love that. And don't forget, stay wicked and keep your mind well. All right. Have a great week. Bye-bye. Bye guys.