Cut to the Heart: Edward Scissorhands, Belonging, and the Cost of Being Different

What happens when you don’t fit the mold?

Hosts Tanya and Erin of Wicked Psychotherapists dive into Tim Burton’s Edward Scissorhands to explore its poignant mental health themes.

From the heartbreak of isolation and the pressure to conform, to the courage it takes to embrace difference, they connect Edward’s story to real-life psychological struggles. 

Plus, don’t miss their hilarious debate: Would they let Edward give them a haircut?

"Exploring the sharp edges of conformity, kindness, and the courage to stand apart."

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0:08

You are listening to Wicked Psychotherapists, a podcast where two psychotherapists show you that taking care of and learning about mental health doesn't have to be wicked hard.

Erin: 0:31

Hey, everyone, this is Tanya. Hi, this is Erin, and welcome to Wicked Psychotherapist.

Tanya: 0:36

Welcome, welcome. We are getting into a good one today. This is a favorite of ours, um, I know that we've talked about before. We are still continuing with the theme of talking about movies. And, kind of dissecting some of the mental health themes because we like to do it. And we think that you like us doing it. So we are going to continue. And today we're going to be doing the classic Edward Scissorhands. so this is continuing with the Tim Burton theme. We love Tim Burton movies, done a couple other ones with those continuing with that. let's just jump right into it and talk about some of the points that make this movie memorable, good. I love the weirdness of Tim Burton. No matter what, he's always going to have some weird factor in there. And I love that. I love the fact that there's a character in there that kind of stands out. That is humanized, but also has obvious differences. Yeah. You know, they're the kind of struggles with that and how what that looks like What about you what do you find that stands out for you?

Erin: 1:39

Well, I re watched the movie before we're doing this episode and honestly I had forgotten a lot of it But I just love the kindness that the mom, you know shows Edward, you know like what she's trying to do her Avon And, you know, where most people would run and hide where she's really concerned that he's afraid and she's concerned, like, how, how do I, you know, let him know that it's safe and I'm just bringing you home with me. And I just like that, that she's not afraid that she's not conforming with everybody in her neighborhood and all the people. And she's bringing this strange person into her house and just being like, okay, this is, we're all going to accept him. I liked that

Tanya: 2:20

yeah, that was really, really sweet. I think really nice and it was, kind of unexpected because the neighborhood that they come from is one of those 50s developments where every house is the same, maybe just a different color. All the, the husbands drive off to work at, you know, 8 a. m., they all pull out of the driveway at the same time, they all come home at 5 p. m., dinner's ready, the housewives are at home, there's kind of a rhythm to it, and then you see this big house that's very gothic, and kind of very much out of place with that, where Edward was made, essentially, because he is a maid, a maid queen. Person, uh, being, I guess, so, yeah, to, to see that peg, the, the mom, um, Diane Weiss, she was able to just see the possibilities, the, the goodness, and include Edward, but also to, to go against that, knowing that that's, that's likely the type of neighborhood she has, you know, socialized in for years, raised her family in, and, you know, Knows the gossip that goes around and how people are with differences with other people on the outside, but she, she just saw the, the humanity in, um, in Edward. Yeah, that is, that is a really nice. part about it. I think there's a lot of relation to these characters. People can see Edward as the, I don't want to call him Scissorhands, but Edward as the, the outsider, because he just has an obvious quote unquote what they term it as deformity, which I think, just, it's a big noticeable difference, right? You know, and it's also, it's also a difference that kind of promotes Distance to because you can't give a, you can't give a handshake, right? You might cut or hurt somebody if there is some sort of, like hug or handshake or, like intimacy of any kind or any type of display of friendship, there's a possibility of getting hurt. So he kind of has this built in wall around him, sort of,

Erin: 4:16

it's almost like he had to figure out a different way to be intimate with. His family that is taking care of him. So he can't, he can't hug them. He can't, you know, shake their hands. So what can he do? He can help manicure their, their lawn. He can help with cutting the meat. he learns like, oh, wait, I can cut hair. I can cut the neighbor's dogs, you know, stuff. So he tries to show love or affection in other ways since he can't, You know physically hug them or show affection in that way.

Tanya: 4:48

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah He's he's really trying to because you see him outside. He's trying to contribute with the dad trimming the lawn And, people are kind of doing everything that a family does and he's like, well, what can I do? And he just discovers this talent for making these lawn sculptures or, um, I don't know what they're called. Is it

Erin: 5:07

topiary or something? Topiaries?

Tanya: 5:09

Yeah. Yeah. Like kind of sculptures out of bushes, which I always, I don't know if you ever questioned this, but I was always like, and it does say this on, if you watch this on Amazon Prime as a goof, but when I was younger watching this, I used to be like, but it's bigger than it originally was.

Erin: 5:27

I was thinking. How could that

Tanya: 5:29

be possible? I

Erin: 5:30

was, it's so funny. It's so funny because I was thinking that too. I was like, wait a minute, did they really have a, like, what was wrong with these people that they let their bushes get as big as a dinosaur? But then I think, I think it's just like with this, with again, Tim Burton's really great imagination. It's just like, they can become anything. They can come at, become as big as. As Edward was just going crazy designing, but yeah, I don't think, I don't think they were that large or tall before. He started manicuring it or whatever it is.

Tanya: 6:02

Yeah, for sure. That's definitely kind of, as they said, it's a goof, but maybe it, maybe it wasn't with Tim Burton, maybe he just felt like this is just what Edward Scissorhands can create because he just can, he's, he's magical. Like that's

Erin: 6:16

pretty magnificent. It wouldn't have been as noticed or it wouldn't have made him as special or anything like that, if maybe if they weren't larger than light, if he just made little tiny You know, like, knee sized bushes. People would have been like, okay, that's nice, but is it really extraordinary? It is so right.

Tanya: 6:37

Yeah, that's true. That's a good point because it really is. Yeah, it would not have been as noticeable. but yeah, it really is. Uh, I really like that dinner scene when they first bring Edward home and he's like trying to eat and he, he can't really eat, which, um, In, in the logical world, I'm like, how did he eat when he was up there? Does he need to eat? Or is he just trying to kind of like, do the ritual of eating? You know, to like, fit in? And then he's like, picking up a pea and, you know, with like, stabbing it with the end of his, his scissor, uh, blade and, you know. You know, they're all kind of watching, like, is he going to get it in anticipation? And, you know, he's, he's really trying and, uh, the mom peg is just like, don't stare. And, you know, oh, you're, you're doing really great when he gets the butter. And it's just really accepting of him. She really wants to incorporate him. And the family is, is, you know, kind of there. The son is kind of like, huh, that's different. But they are pretty accepting of him, like having him there.

Erin: 7:31

And, and that scene I thought was pretty interesting too, because Peg has been really good about helping him, but not really stifling him or smothering him. So even when she was helping him get dressed and it's like a big mess, she's like, do you need help? Or even then with the dinner, she could have been like, okay, let me feed you. But they're all just watching letting him fail because then he could figure out okay What am I able to do at the dinner table?

Tanya: 7:58

Yeah, it's kind of like a healthy way of Watching your your child grow like to be like, how did they learn these developmental? You know stages how how are they able to pick this up without being enabled so that they need me forever So, you know, I need them to be independent adults and he was having to learn them from the start and yeah they were They were really good about that, you know, she was especially good about that. Yeah. Because she could have, like, babied him and been like, oh no, let me do this, but she really was just, I think, very compassionate and really willing to kind of say, okay, you, you can, you can do this, it doesn't matter if, if it may be a different process for you, you can still do it.

Erin: 8:38

And even the dad, because the dad at first, I was thinking like, oh gosh, is he going to be really. Obnoxious or rude to Edward because he's like, Oh, no, it's Edward. He prefers Edward. And then eventually the dad found a different way to connect with him. He's like, you know, all right. So he's going to help me with the yard work. We're going to get a drink when he's upset. We're going to find ways to connect that maybe aren't as nurturing as, peg, but it's still a way of connection and the son found a way he's like, all right, so how can I. Be cool to my class and just, right, have him involved in some way, bring him for show and

Tanya: 9:16

tell. Yeah, that was a funny scene. Um, yeah. And with Kim, it, it kind of, she was very weary of him and kind of felt weird that she kind of, she knew he kind of had a crush on her or was like admiring her. But then there was just a certain point where I think it's when he like has the ability to unlock the door with his scissors. She's like, Oh, thanks. And I don't know, she just kind of starts to see him like, Oh, maybe he is kind of this sweet thing. And you know, he, he likes me and I can see his, his, his Sweet side, his compassion, how he's very innocent and you know, that was, I think, you know, compared to her, her rowdy boyfriend.

erin (2): 9:56

Are you Her rowdy boyfriend

Tanya: 9:57

who, who is the former nerd in the breakfast club. I don't know why that makes me laugh. Yeah, I mean

Erin: 10:02

like, well he was like a big nerd in, um, what, Weird Science Breakfast Club. You know. Um, yeah, with 16 Candles. Like he, he, he was like, He did not really come into his own until probably this movie where people are like wow Wow, this guy is cool, but not realizing that he was just like Always like the big nerd and before like it was just a skinny little nerd for a while, but

Tanya: 10:26

yeah, he was very Like in this movie. He was very rough and you know kind of rebellious and and you know kind of such such a Uh, what do you call it? Like a foil, like opposite to, to Edward. Yeah. Who was so innocent and gentle despite him having scissors for hands, which is just a really, really telling. And I think she started to see that Kim and, and be able to be like, Oh, and the way, the way, um, I, I cannot think of her boyfriend's name, Kim's boyfriend, but you know, Jim, Jim, Jim, the way that Jim, Treated her like he was physically really rough with her at a lot of points and like at the end especially but even when they set, uh, Edward up to, to rob Jim's father's house, he just kind of like grabs her and is like, leave him, leave him, you know, and is very, she's like, no, we got to go back, we got to go back and he just kind of dismisses her, he just treats her badly, he's just kind of a jerk, he's a jerk, not kind of, he is a jerk. But yeah, I think that's kind of how she starts to relate to him is she starts to see kind of the comparison of like, uh, my boyfriend's kind of a jerk and look how sweet he is. And he's actually not weird. He's just got a lot of, differences. Yeah. I think it was really, you know, You know, some of the mental health themes, I think, are, are pretty obvious there, but just to kind of bring them up, you know, the social isolation that we see with Edward, obviously, from living up there alone, not really knowing what to do, his creator, kind of his father, um, inventor of him, you know. He died of a heart attack and he was alone, so he didn't really have those social skills. He wasn't aware of like the rituals, but he did pick up on them pretty, pretty nicely with the gentle, kind support of Peg, Diane Wiest, you know, um. And it's

Erin: 12:07

interesting too because his father, creator, was so kind to him and was like, all right, well, we're gonna read this stuff, oh wait, this is boring, let's go to poetry. Let's do this. We're gonna learn manners and we're gonna learn this and that, he tried really hard and then I think it was nice that the person who found him, you know, or you know brought him or recognized him also had a kind heart because he probably was up there isolated grieving not really knowing what the next step is. Do I leave and interact with these other people or do I just stay alone and depressed I thought it was also telling too like the mansion, the grounds are so beautiful and so well manicured and the flowers and everything. It's so hopeful. Yeah. And so something about him was like, you know, I'm in this really dark mansion, castle, whatever it is and alone, but I, I'm hopeful. I see hope. I want to create. And yeah. And just that when she went there and she saw that and she's like, this is so beautiful. This is, you know, like most people would have been like, I'm out of here. I'm not going to sell my Avon here, but she still was like, you know, I'm going to continue because she saw something, well, maybe she saw that she was going to make a sale. But then when she saw him, she saw somebody hurting and you know, that maybe there's a way to connect. And I thought that was really nice.

Tanya: 13:33

Yeah, absolutely. She, you're right, when she was going, when she kept going and being like, I'm Peg, I'm, I'm just as harmful as cherry, I think, you know, she's gonna say cherry pie or whatever, or whatever it is, and then she sees the scissor hands and she's like, uh, I'm sorry, but I was like, I would have long ago turned around and, yeah. Because I, I, it, it just felt scary, you know, like there's nobody here and if I hear something, I don't know, uh, it's probably like a wild animal or something that is scary. I wouldn't expect a little Edward Scissorhands creature to be there, but, yeah, she had, she had really good, I think just openness and, and kindness to, to the world and, saw, Edward for, for who he was and, and really wanted to help him. But as she soon realized the society or the community that she brought him into only accepted him for kind of the exotic parts of him, the, the other, Parts of him that that were fun to them that were like exhilarating to kind of their boring lives and but when he starts to react to and have emotions that are understandable to to To his context, they start to kind of other him and make him out to be evil and bad.

Erin: 14:45

Well, if it didn't fit their narrative, because they, they were fine taking advantage of him and it seemed like they knew they were taking advantage of him because even the father said, well, what do you, what are they paying you? And what are they paying you for these haircuts or trimming their dogs or doing the topiary said they weren't paying him anything. Yeah. And so he would, he, they were fine just taking advantage of him and using him as a thing. And then when, emotionally, when he needed, when he was really vulnerable or frail, or things were happening, everyone abandoned him. Except, you know, his host family, whatever. You know, like, it's just, it was,

Tanya: 15:23

Yeah. Yeah. And then they abandoned the host family. They didn't want to show up for the party, Christmas party at the end and, kind of, I think just showing really a lot of that feeling of if you are different in a, you know, a place, a group, sometimes if you're different, people will only accept you for the things that they want to accept you for. Um, but they ultimately, they don't, they're not really accepting you. Right. And that was definitely a community where, yeah, you're right, like it, it seemed like they were using him, you know, the Joyce lady, that lady That cheated on her husband or whatever, or, yeah, she was just trying to take advantage of him. She was always wanting to, she was very Randy, I guess, as we would say from Mike Myers.

erin (2): 16:10

Yeah.

Tanya: 16:10

From like the 90s. Yeah. She was always, uh, trying to, um, just, you know, kind of be with anyone and everyone and, and then kind of turns the narrative, the story around and says, Edward tried to assault her when really she was, you know, Clearly the one that was trying to get on him and then it goes down the gossip chain and that's just considered truth. Nothing is even asked or verified and that's, that's, that's really telling because we, we see that with a lot of people who are, you know, bullied in, in school, right, you know, or people at work. Um, And kind of ousted in that way where just even one, one kind of situation, one rumor can really make you feel like you're outside of, you know, this, this thing that, that you, that you this group that you had used for, for support and connection. And then you see, you know, maybe some of these people really aren't your friend or your, you know, really care about you, whatever the situation is. So,

Erin: 17:11

yeah, well, it's the whole group thing. Tough lesson. It's, it's a lot of the group thing that happens where people, you know, and that's like a lot of this movie is about conformity and nonconformity and how scary it is to be out of, you know, what everyone else is thinking and doing. And so a lot of these people, and this happens, like you said, like in school and workplace and social media, different places, you know, family where one person can be pitted against everybody else. But there's a lot of people aren't really slowing down and being like, do I have all the facts? What is happening? How is this person feeling that's now ostracized? You know, so that, that often is not really, you know, thought about or, you know, that's, it's really unfortunate. When you see that happening or if it happens to you or it happened to edward, you know, like in the movie and it was very obvious, you know, the way the movie's happening, but a lot of times in real life It's not as obvious and it could be very subtle and it could be it's still very painful Yeah,

Tanya: 18:11

yeah for sure and it kind of reminds me a lot of probably the adolescent period or the teenage period of where Edward is kind of learning about emotions, and there's emotional complexity to different situations, and there's also being misunderstood, and he gets really dysregulated, to be clinical, but he kind of loses his crap, right, you know, when he is realizing he's, he's being, um, you know, Kind of used for things and then being, you know, kind of like shouted at to get out and like you don't belong. Yeah. He goes and cuts down some of the topiaries and people are like, I'm gonna call the police and That the church lady is very much like or the yeah, the saying that he's a devil like being like, he's the devil He's evil and people are kind of sort of listening to her now. She's not so much Looking so crazy as they they thought she before they all kind of on that that train because you know really what they they don't look at is that this person has never had these types of interactions. He does not come from this type of community. He's trying to assimilate. And, you know, it could be, I could see it kind of as a, you know, comparable to, you know, someone who is a teenager trying to find out who they are.

Erin: 19:22

Yeah.

Tanya: 19:23

Um, you know, or maybe somebody who comes from a different country, like an immigrant, you know, trying to kind of fit in and people judging before, you know, not really realizing where, you Edward came from right and how he has experienced life and that he's having to take on these new situations. He doesn't know how to regulate his emotions. It doesn't mean he's a, he's an evil bad person for getting upset and kind of acting out.

Erin: 19:47

Yeah. And

Tanya: 19:47

all of this is

Erin: 19:48

happening the first time for him. Like he's felt, you know, If you remember, like in the beginning of the movie when he's coming home and he's like looking out the car and he's so excited and she's like, okay, it's okay. Yeah, I understand. You've never seen this before. But he's also never experienced a whole town turning his back, back on him and bullying him and ostracizing him. And

erin (2): 20:12

yeah,

Erin: 20:13

so it does make sense that, you know, he probably wanted to scream, but he did lash out. He's like slashing tires and doing other stuff, but it's. the only thing he knows right now. Putting up devil topiaries.

erin (2): 20:25

Yeah,

Erin: 20:27

making the, making the topiary of the devil with the devil eyes to the, I thought that was really funny, to the church lady. Me

Tanya: 20:34

too. I like that part, yeah. Um. Yeah, and it's probably his first time experiencing these emotions, too. Like, just, not even the, the situation, but internally experiencing that and being confused, like, what is this? Why do I feel this way? He doesn't know how to handle it because we, we learn how to handle and regulate our emotions going through different phases and having that support. And I think Peg is, is, you know, she was very good about supporting him, but he kind of then, Goes on to have more complex situations where it's like, okay, I have a crush on Kim, right, you know, and, um, I feel used and, you know, other people are kind of, he's kind of going outside of the relationship of like the home he was brought into and Peg's home and so he's kind of handling this. Maybe sort of on the fly on his own and internally and he doesn't, you know, it's like a storm is brewing and he's like, I don't know what this is. This hurts, but I don't, he can't like name the emotions. It's almost like an emotionally dysregulated, um, kid, teenager, person, you know, who maybe hasn't learned to be able to manage in that situation and it's understandable in his, you know,

Erin: 21:43

And not everybody has the tools. I mean, look how many, yeah, teenagers and adults who haven't really been taught to any grounding techniques or how to slow down their breath, or it's not okay to just flip tables when you're mad, you know, like you, a lot of people don't really know that or weren't really taught that or shown it and it's, you know, It seems like he was able, you know, he had to go for his long walk. Then he's like, you know, I'm going back home, going back to, you know, their house. And that's where I felt safe for a little bit yeah.

Tanya: 22:18

And what did, what did you think about the, the ending where Edward had to Peg was saying, I think he has to go back, you know, because he just didn't fit in there and I think maybe she was realizing he would never fit in there because he'd already been labeled, he'd already been labeled as evil and he's trying to, you know, cut up people's property, damage people's property, cut up this, you know, the, the, Boy's, face, even though he had just saved him from being hit by a car. but, you know, they don't see it that way, and it's not the way this story is going to be retold in the future. but, what do you think about that? What was your, your feelings at that point? I mean, I felt like,

Erin: 22:58

I, I felt sad for, for her, because it seemed, in him, because it seemed like they, the two of them are the most, I mean, it's like they, they had such a, a bond, like a, a mother bond. Like, he never really. He never had a mother. He never had that Nurturing person. So it was kind of sad. I mean, of course, they don't show Like does that family still get to visit him and do they still have a friendship is or is he just back on back in? His mansion alone for forever, you know, so that that part is really sad. What do you think about it? And it's sad that it does. It

Tanya: 23:30

does say at the end, she doesn't visit. She'd never visited. Yeah, I never saw him after that day anyway. Yeah,

Erin: 23:36

but you don't know, but the mom, you know, like Kim, Kim, I know they said like, you know, they she was in love with him or whatever. But I mean, I don't think she really had that deep of a relationship as the mom did with him.

Tanya: 23:48

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it was kind of like a loss of, you know, possibility of having a family. I felt really bad for him because it was like, here he is, you know, taken out of his comfort zone even though it's lonely, even though he's isolated and he gets thrown into these situations where he's put up on a pedestal and then kind of dropped, you know, could be considered very borderline, very bipolar, whatever, you know,

erin (2): 24:13

and then all of

Tanya: 24:14

a sudden he's the evil enemy. Mm hmm.

Erin: 24:18

He's gotta go home.

Tanya: 24:18

He won't fit in. Yeah.

Erin: 24:19

That is an interesting view. Yeah. Cause you have everything. It's like, yeah. I, you know, it's like the manic thoughts or something. But they're true. Like the grandiose. Everyone loves me. I'm on a talk show and everyone wants me to do everything for them. But now, back to reality, alone, isolated. But that also might be comforting for him because he, at the end, going back to the end, he's choosing to make all these ice sculptures in the wintertime and, you know, then. Greasing this area that probably never gets snow with snow every winter or every Christmas.

Tanya: 24:53

Yeah, kind of gifting them. Yeah. And I do, I don't, I don't think he, like, I don't think he displays borderline person. I was saying more of the community, kind of like the way they treated him, kind of the dynamic. And, and obviously this is just a movie, so it's, you know, doesn't really make sense, but let's just say, you know, um, yeah, and like, or, or kind of like a narcissistic kind of, you know, like, Oh, I'm going to put you up on a pedestal and then I'm going to, you know, Make you into the enemy kind of thing. And, um, I just, I just thought there were some dynamics there that were kind of interesting. Well,

Erin: 25:24

the whole town is very, yeah, the, the town could, could exhibit something, you know, and he's just, unfortunately, like the, you know, like the, The person that is like the scapegoat for everything, you know the good and bad and yeah

Tanya: 25:42

He's kind of the other that gets projected on, you know And that kind of just kept striking me when I thought about how they. treated him, even though it seemed really nice, you know, with, but they were kind of like, Oh, you know, Joyce was kind of looking for a thrill, but was also like, Oh, you're so different. You're so sexy. And all the women are coming up and, you know, kind of like trying to just see what they can get from him and like, Oh, this is so different. But then, you know, the moment that he is human and wants to kind of fit in, in a human way, emotionally, He's banned, right? He just he doesn't he doesn't fit in at all. And, um, so I thought that was really striking for this. And that's that's really what it reminded me of when he was banned. Like, you can't be a part of this community. You're you're the you're the other you're outside of this. Yeah. Um, and he And he knew that and Kim knew that and yeah, I agree. I didn't really feel as much for Kim because I was like, okay It seems like they have something but they just kind of started to form that even though she's the one telling the story It's supposed to be some great romance. Yeah,

Erin: 26:46

but then she more felt it for Edward Yeah well she only knew him for like a couple days and she she was kind of a snot most of the time and So I really didn't have I think again, I know we talked about like when you first see a movie I think when I first saw it You know, decades ago, I probably was like, Oh, true love. Look at them, blah, blah, blah. But then watching it again, I was like, but, you know, like she she contributed to the boyfriend being mean to him and other people taunting him and just really ruining his. Experience in that town.

Tanya: 27:21

Yeah, she was, she was kind of weary of him. She, she'd never really experienced that like a different person either, you know? And so she kind of was like, Oh, why is he paying attention to me? And kind of like, you know, grossed out by that. Kind of like, I don't want you as, you know, my friend. Mm hmm. But then kind of suddenly sees him a little different, you know, when she starts to see his, you know, sweetness, kindness and things like that. Um, and, and there was also the whole Johnny Depp, Winona Ryder, who, who played, uh, Kim and, and Edward Factor. They were dating then, and they were like a big. You know, hot couple or whatever the it couple. Yeah, gothic. And so people were like, oh, yeah That's really sad for them because they're imagining them like being together kind of thing. Oh, no, they're gonna be

Erin: 28:06

separated in real life Yeah, it's yeah Yeah, they were they were the it gothic couple at that time. Everyone. Yeah,

Tanya: 28:14

so

Erin: 28:14

so

Tanya: 28:15

cool Oh man, I love, I do love that pairing, and he, that's where Johnny Depp got the, the tattoo of like Winona Forever, and then when they broke up he turned it into Wino Forever, because he, That he's, you know, he likes his wine, he likes his drink, you know, but, um, yeah, so, anyways, I know that's like, totally off topic, but, yeah, I just think there was, there was a lot of sadness, right, but also maybe a little bit of relief for, for him, and, and for the community, because they didn't have to allow these exceptions of differences, and they didn't really have to change, but they also were probably really me. Bored after he left because they're like, Oh, the only thing we can talk about is that guy that lives up there, but he's like, not really wreaking havoc anymore. So they probably would find someone else to other and to make the other, um, well, yeah, they probably just do well. Yeah. Well, even before all

Erin: 29:10

the women had like this. They would just call each other and gossip to each other before so it's like, oh what's happening on this, you know with this house I'm looking out the windows because I'm so bored and nosy. So I'm sure they probably found someone else to to gossip about or to definitely

Tanya: 29:28

stare out my windows Oh no! I look at my neighbors. I don't gossip with my neighbors though. I'm not like, you know, I just kind of You But I do, I do, like, if I see, like, a, you know, police car or something, I will kind of be like, Hmm, what's going on there? I'm not gonna lie, I do. But I don't sit there and, like, you know, call up my neighbors, and I'm not, I'm not close with any of my neighbors.

erin (2): 29:50

That's funny.

Tanya: 29:52

Yeah, we used

Erin: 29:52

to have a neighbor when we were younger, uh, and my mom used to, I think her name really was Rosie, but my mom used to always be like, uh, nosy Rosie. I can see her looking out her window because she would see the blinds and the, the, the window actually. You know, like you'd see her, nosy rosy.

Tanya: 30:13

Yeah, like you knew she was peering out.

Erin: 30:17

Let's give her a show. Yeah, let's give her something to look at.

Tanya: 30:20

Yeah, it always was, yeah. I always kind of felt like there was some, growing up, there was always neighbors that were kind of, Kind of on the nosy side. I understand why but we were also nosy too. So

Erin: 30:31

yeah. Yeah. I mean Looking at my family. I could see why I mean, it probably gave an interesting show

Tanya: 30:38

Yeah, yeah, but I mean it definitely I don't feel like I can relate to that neighborhood no style No, I mean, especially

Erin: 30:46

like everything so Perfect. It's like what you picture like a perfect HOA suburbia You know, everyone manicured. Yeah, well

Tanya: 30:55

manicured. Yeah,

Erin: 30:57

that would be really it seems like it'd be very difficult to live in a situation like that you know just very hard to be to have to hat be a certain way and have Your yard and these expectations and knowing that the neighbors and everyone might be watching or judging you. I think that'd be very hard for me.

Tanya: 31:21

Yeah, and that's interesting too. That is probably, that's probably an outlet for them being so bored and having nothing to do. They're just kind of, like, they kind of have to make something of that, right? You know, so they're like, oh, well, let's, this is, this is our, our life, right? You know, and that, that actually is kind of its own difficulty in and of itself, I think, you know, I'm, I'm not really feeling much sympathy for them, obviously, in this regard, in this movie, but, I guess from that perspective, yeah, it is, like, you have to, you have to kind of make your life interesting if it's very boring and mundane and you don't, you know, Maybe, like, work and have interactions with other people outside of your, you know, community, your neighborhood. And so maybe this is just, you know, their way of dealing with it, and kind of keeping it all the same because they know that they all have to kind of keep each other in check, sort of thing, and they also need to, you know, Keep from being bored out of their minds.

Erin: 32:19

Well, and also it's a way to Have something in common with all these women. So all these women Looking at them you'd be like what it why would they even be friends? what are they, you know, what would they have to offer each other, but they have the gossip and hey, look we can all talk about this one thing or we have this in common but In the real world, if they all worked or they socialized elsewhere, they probably wouldn't be friends, except that they live near each other in this very cookie cutter neighborhood. Yeah,

Tanya: 32:51

for sure. That's

Erin: 32:51

true.

Tanya: 32:52

That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. So there's so many, I mean, like, social, social pressures, groupthink, social anxiety, social isolation, trauma, emotional regulation. There's so many themes in, in this that I think we, you know, talked about and that are really interesting with Edward Scissorhands. So I, I have a question that's just popped in my head. Okay. Let's, let's do a, um, Maybe we should start doing this or just if we think of it, but

erin (2): 33:19

okay

Tanya: 33:20

kind of a fun question from the movie So would you if offered the chance? Okay, and i'll answer it too. Okay um Would you if offer the chance? Take a haircut from Edward Scissorhands. Well, I This is so ridiculous, but I just am curious.

Erin: 33:37

So I guess, I don't know, because I would be a little afraid, I guess, if he was how he was at the end of the movie, no, I would not. I'd just be sure he Yeah, like all like chopping things off and flattening tires. I think I'd get my, um, My next slash, but

Tanya: 33:54

I, I mean like just, just if he were calm and, and you were just like, say he opened up a salon or something and people were going to see him, I

Erin: 34:02

mean, all his haircuts, I guess it was the period too, but they all. They all look like, remember, um, John and Kate plus eight, or whatever it was, like they all have like Yes! They all have like Kate's, Kate's haircut. It's, it's awful. They're all like the side, the side mullet, whatever that is, so. So, I think if I could ask Edward to give me a different haircut than the side mullet. Then maybe, so I'm going to say no, I'm going to say no, a hard pass for me. What about you?

Tanya: 34:32

So I agree with you that my first instinct is to say no because I picture, I, I meant when he's like regulated and if say he like modern day could open up like a salon, like a cool salon and he had access to like maybe some of the trends or, you know, kind of that type of stuff. I think I, like, my immediate response was seeing that mullet and then the, like, weird little, like, poodle hair somebody else had. I think

Erin: 34:52

that looked like a, um, like a lawn. She had, like, a lawn. Yes! Yeah, no thank

Tanya: 34:57

you. It was, I was like, no, I wouldn't want those haircuts, but if he were exposed to other trends, I would say, yes, I would think it would be interesting because I think it was interesting, but I don't like the particular ones he did for that community. It's weird.

Erin: 35:12

I think that, I think it was supposed to be in the eighties cause you look at the big van with the, with the fires on the back. I think that was like a total 1980s type of thing, but the neighborhood looked like it was fifties. It was such a weird. Yeah, it was

Tanya: 35:24

probably just like a Tim Burton universe. Yeah. Like it was kind of a mashup sort of thing. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.

Erin: 35:29

If he could. Yeah. That's for sure. And if Edward could just do a trim. Hey, can I just have a little off the bottom. Yeah, but who

Tanya: 35:34

knows what he thinks is a trim. Yeah. I don't know. Then

Erin: 35:37

all of a sudden I have, yeah, then I have a side mullet.

Tanya: 35:39

Yeah, I think I would try it, but I would just be like, know this or this, and maybe see, I don't, I think I'd be curious to see what he does.

Erin: 35:48

And that was another thing that was really sweet about the mom too, that, with Peg, because after everyone abandoned him, and no one's wanted any services from him or whatever, she's like, can you just cut my hair again? And even though she probably haircut like week before, she just. Constantly trying I think she feels like this is show his value. Yeah, this is his this is her love language to him Showing like, you know, I really need you. You know, like you're the only one that can do this.

Tanya: 36:17

Oh, I love that Yeah, a great way to put it. Yeah Yeah, for sure. It was like showing her love language. Yeah, and like the value that he offers and being like, Hey, you, you still have value. I still see you kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And, and yeah, and I agree with you. It, those, the hairstyle was. It's just, I think on Joyce, the first one, I was like, I remember watching this the first time and I was like, Oh my God, he's going to come up with something so like beautiful. And I saw it and I was like, what is that? That's horrendous.

Erin: 36:50

What is that? Like, that

Tanya: 36:51

is horrible. Like, I just remember like laughing at that with my sisters who were like, that's so bad. They look like poodles. Very,

Erin: 36:59

yeah. Yeah. It is. But I guess there weren't very many choices in the late 80s. It's like, okay, mullet, side mullet, mohawk. Everyone has curly hair back then too. It's like everyone wanted to perm.

Tanya: 37:11

And also like he, who knows what his exposure to like hair was, right? like he, like who knows where these ideas were coming from. I know we're kind of applying like Tim Burton verse to like real life, you know, but I don't know. But, yeah, I, I think, and that's a fun question, I think, to pose to other people if they would try that out. Maybe they would have the same stipulations that we have, like, only if he was, you know, regulated and not at the end, or like, not a side mullet thing, which I, I just think is absolutely horrendous. I never understood why that was a trend. Yeah,

Erin: 37:40

and then it was a trend. Like, the, the

Tanya: 37:41

Kate plus eight lady. Yeah, and the Kate,

Erin: 37:43

and Kate, Kate did it, like, Further on like, you know, it wasn't like it was like in the 80s like Kate plus eight. Yeah, it was like really two thousand Yes, right and then it seemed like a lot of people like that side whatever the heck it was It was like that, you know, it's okay. Yeah, okay Kate. I'm

Tanya: 37:59

sorry if anybody has that now, I apologize. Yeah, I just sorry You can make fun of my hair. My hair is plain and I just trim it and keep it trimmed. That's it. But you

Erin: 38:07

could just tell me, I can't

Tanya: 38:08

stand that. You can

Erin: 38:09

tell, you can tell me I need to brush my hair. I don't, I don't. Same.

Tanya: 38:14

I could certainly stand for a brushing or two, uh, yeah, just if you guys wanna write about, you know, write down if you would get a haircut or what kind of haircut you think he could do. I know it's kind of silly, but I just think it's fun to kind of imagine that I do, I love imaginative characters and see what it's like in, in reality. He'd, Tim Burs, he'd probably do like

Erin: 38:33

fun, like in the eighties. Like when, like the, um, what is that type of haircut that the, the fade like with kid and play. Because he'd probably do fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be able to do really cool haircuts like that You know like just the like table mountain kind of thing Podcast what I was just

Tanya: 38:52

doing with you know You all know what with a kid and play when you hear kid and play, you know that if you know them You know, don't look them up and you'll know. Yeah Yeah, but so this is a fun one. This is really really great. You know all these these movies I love how we can always like Find little fun elements and also discuss our opinions, but also, throw in some mental health, just kind of what we would see, even though it's, it's imaginary, which is kind of our, like, hey, there's some mental health in there, because we

erin (2): 39:18

can, you

Tanya: 39:18

can sort of see it in most movies, I think this is a classic for a lot of people. and, uh, Johnny Depp, I, I do love Johnny Depp, even, even now, I hate to say it, but I really do, I love I go through

Erin: 39:29

a love hate with him, like sometimes I'm just like, ugh, stop talking, you're so annoying. I

Tanya: 39:33

know, yeah, he can be, yeah. He's such an annoying, I still just love him. He's an annoying,

Erin: 39:37

he's an annoying human. But I really like him like

erin (2): 39:41

mm hmm.

Erin: 39:42

Sometimes I still remember him from 21 Jump Street And that's the Johnny Depp. I love but

Tanya: 39:49

yeah Even though we both preferred Richard Grieco, right? Weren't we weren't we of the Richard Grieco persuasion? Yeah

Erin: 39:56

Crazy. Yeah, because I wasn't allowed to like Johnny Depp because my friend liked him.

Tanya: 40:00

Right. Yeah, you had to, yeah. And you were, you were kind of forced into it. You were like, okay,

Erin: 40:06

I guess I gotta. I guess, I guess it's Richard Grieco. I like his eyebrows. Yeah. Yeah,

Tanya: 40:13

if you don't know that, that's from one of our earlier episodes, we talked about that. I don't remember, I just remember, I remember that one, but I don't remember which one it was. We talked about it somehow. It'd be funny if we did a 21 Drum Street

Erin: 40:23

episode.

Tanya: 40:24

Oh, that might be, like, do you mean the movie or the TV show?

Erin: 40:28

No, the show!

Tanya: 40:29

The show itself. Oh, that would be a good excuse. Okay. So I, I tried to, my husband and I tried to go back and watch some of the older ones and we couldn't, it was just so cheesy. We couldn't really get into it, but it was kind of fun.

Erin: 40:41

I imagine it's so cringy. I mean, just like if you, yeah, it is. Yeah. Cause I tried watching 90210 one day. I was like, Oh, what am I, what am I doing? I can't, I can't do it.

Tanya: 40:53

it's so true with those shows, like, it's like they're, you know, you love them, you know, you do love them, but you just can't really rewatch them. But we could still, I'm sure, you know, Watch a few that that might be Yeah, we might, we might have that somewhere down the road.'cause there's definitely themes in there and it's just a fun, fun, yeah. I used to like Don de a fun show,

Erin: 41:12

DeLuise's son, I can't remember his name, but he was in 21. Oh

Tanya: 41:16

yeah. I don't, I, yeah, I can picture, picture his face. I used his, I can't remember

Erin: 41:21

who he was. But anyway, that has nothing do with this episode. So,

Tanya: 41:24

but I, I totally, the thing is, is I totally see that as a connection. So,

Erin: 41:28

I gotcha. I'm on the same train. This is how my mind works.

Tanya: 41:31

Yep. Yep. That's the air sign. That's the, the Gemini Aquarius. That's, that's both of us. We both have random, like, we're, we're just kind of out there. Now

Erin: 41:39

we're at,

Tanya: 41:40

I understand it.

Erin: 41:41

We're talking about Tom Delarise's son. It's like, yeah.

Tanya: 41:45

For some reason that made sense to me. I was like, yeah, yeah. Like I totally like, I was like, that's the next thing to say. Yeah, that would make sense. I dunno why it just fit. It fit. Okay. It was perfect. Um, but yeah, so I think that is a perfect way to end this.

Erin: 41:59

and in case anyone is really curious, Dom DeLuise's son is named Peter DeLuise. So I just googled it. Peter Deluise. Yes. Because that is very important, to know. It

Tanya: 42:09

is. And. I'm sure somebody would have let us know, but it was important to us. but anyways, we hope you enjoyed that. That was very fun. but yeah, Merry Christmas. Happy New Year 2025. Can't believe it. Um, and we are going into our second year, right? And yeah, 2025. season three. Yeah season three Oh my gosh, so happy happy anniversary to us Yeah,

Erin: 42:33

this is coming up Yay for us, congratulations Erin and Tanya, good job

Tanya: 42:39

Yay. Yeah. And thank you to all of you who have listened and provided comments and follow us and give us, you know, suggestions and, and tell us things that you like that are going on or things that, you know, maybe we can add in. That's, that's been really helpful. Cause there have

Erin: 42:54

been quite a few episodes. Thanks to our viewers who have sent in things either on Instagram or on our fan mail. So thank you Yeah, we we do appreciate it because sometimes we get stuck, you know There's only so many 80s things that we know so we need help

Tanya: 43:11

It is it's always good to remind us Yeah, we we forget just being in other people's lives all week and then we gotta out and think of of things So that's very very helpful. We love it. You guys are great But yeah, follow us on Instagram, Facebook, And don't forget, stay wicked.

Erin: 43:29

And keep your mind well. Alright, have a good week happy holidays.

Tanya: 43:33

Happy holidays, guys. Happy 2025. Yeah.

Erin: 43:36

Alright, bye bye.

43:37

We Wish You a Merry Christmas The end.