Inside Out 2: Emotions in Motion – The Psychotherapists' Take

In this episode of Wicked Psychotherapists, Erin and Tanya explore the movie 'Inside Out 2,' discussing its portrayal of emotional development and regulation during puberty. 

They compare personal experiences, highlight significant moments in the film, and reflect on its relevance to mental health education.

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0:08

You are listening to Wicked Psychotherapists, a podcast where two psychotherapists show you that taking care of and learning about mental health doesn't have to be wicked hard.

erin: 0:31

Hey everyone, this is Tanya. Hi, this is Erin, and welcome to Wicked Psychotherapist.

Tanya: 0:35

so today We are going to be talking about something really fun and light after all that spookiness, that satanic panic and the Halloween horror. Not that wasn't fun, but just a little bit lighter. so we are looking at the movie Inside Out 2. If you're a fan of the first one, I think that came out in like 2000. 13, 14. But the second one just came out where the main character, it's a cartoon, but the main character, the girl, Riley, she is now older. Uh, and there's more emotions to deal with because this movie is very emotions heavy. And looking at kind of how emotional development occurs. Yeah. Which is really great for us because as therapists we really see a visual into that and it feels very, to me it always has felt very validating to kind of be like, Oh, like this could be a great way for this new generation to understand this and be able to talk about this. And to actually see it, to see what the emotions look

erin: 1:38

like is kind of cool.

Tanya: 1:40

And parents too that are watching or, you know, whoever is watching with it. I don't know if it's still at the theaters or it was just out in the theaters, but now it's available for at this point in time, it's available for like renting or buying at, you know, a particular price on like Amazon prime. So I, I rented it from Amazon prime and just kind of watched it all the way through. And I liked a lot of points about it. There were some things that, you know, we were talking about. There's some things that we're probably going to say, Hey, you know, we were looking at this because we're obviously going to be kind of nitpicky about some of the emotional representations and stuff. But overall what were your impressions of the movie? Yeah.

erin: 2:16

So I watched it last night, with my son and it's funny cause I. Quizzed him today. I'm like, what did you think of the, what did you think of the movie? Because I enjoyed it, but there were some part, parts, I actually fell asleep at one. Like, oh. Like it was great, but, you know. So boring. There was, there was one part that I fell asleep in. So, I don't know if it was because it was boring, or because I just, I'm tired because of the daylight savings or whatever. Or that's true. We

Tanya: 2:48

have the daylight savings. So yeah, definitely give you a pass on that. Okay. Not just that I'm

erin: 2:53

old, but he really he said that he enjoyed the humor and that there was one part, you know, of course we're going to do spoilers, but there was one part that like, they are in this sarcasm chasm or whatever. And so he thought that was really funny. Like, You're like there's one part they were talking to people like you're so good at your job and then they're like So he thought that was so funny, I do think the movie was nice the way that it talked about anxiety and opened up like how that is an emotion that people can have but I know we're going to talk about like the different ins and outs of it, but I did like it. you know, I was going to say it wasn't my favorite, but it wasn't like it it's, but I did like it. It was really good. I really liked some of the characters. I really like a lot. You know, I love sadness.

Tanya: 3:40

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Good old Phyllis on the office. I love her voice. It's so funny. I was watching it and my husband was around and he wasn't looking at the TV. Well, I mean, not like that would give him a clue anyways, but he was like, is that Phyllis talking? And I was like, yeah, it is. So she has a very distinct voice, but it's a very like soothing voice. I like it. I like how you're like, not like looking at it would have given him

erin: 4:03

a

Tanya: 4:03

clue. I know, like it wouldn't have like, you know, cause it's not really, Yeah, he wouldn't have recognized what she looked like. Yeah, like her being blue and everything in a cartoon. But no, it was I agree. I really did enjoy it. I love, The representation of emotions and how are the patterns form in our brains and core memories, beliefs about ourself, forming our sense of self, really enjoy how they show that because I think it is such an abstract art form. concept. And it is something tough for people not only kids going through, you know, growing up and going through different developmental stages, but even for adults and everything to understand that and to really put that into its own picture. And I think it does a really great job of showing that in a very colorful you know, fun way. And also it clicks, it really just kind of, you know, makes you feel like, Oh yeah. That's true. Yeah.

erin: 5:02

Yeah, I think the belief things was one of my favorite visually too. I mean, like they made it like the little waterfalls and it was just, especially the first time that joy brings sadness down, you know, it's like, Oh my gosh, this is so beautiful. And yeah, that's so special to be able to drop it, you know, to drop the ball in and then watch it, rise up and just become.

Tanya: 5:25

Yeah. Like it's kind of, it's kind of magical, but it's, it, your brain is kind of magical in that way. It's really, it is really interesting, really. I don't know. It's just a very pretty visualization. I like it. I do think, so this is in case you don't know, I think most people know this if they, even if they haven't watched the movie, this is the child Riley in the first Inside Out probably more than likely you've watched this or you want to watch Inside Out 2, but Riley is now going through her, she's just at the start of her teenage years, she's hitting puberty and there's a lot more emotions that start to develop and have to work together, and we start to see new characters because there are new emotions, and we start to see the complexity of how they need to work together, which is, again, its own interesting way of being able to say, how do our emotions regulate and come together, and how do we incorporate all this stuff at this age, in this wacky time of Puberty, right? And Riley kind of, you know, wakes up one day and all of a sudden there's new characters that sprout like there's Envy and, Embarrassment, who's like kind of a big, silent, like gentle giant that kind of hides in his hoodie. And then anxiety, and nostalgia kind of starts to come in, but they keep pushing nostalgia back to be like, no, we'll use you for later. Which I take issue with actually. And I think you said you did.

erin: 6:45

Yeah, I did too. I think. Because the way in the movie they talk, you know, it's like this little old lady who's just like, you know, you're Nana or something just gonna knit you a scarf, but she keeps trying to come in. She's like, oh, yeah, I, you know, I want to talk about this and they're like no, not now, but I do feel as though people can have nostalgia at age 13 or younger, or it's not just for people after they graduate high school because that's what they kept insinuating, Oh no, this will be at the reunion or this will be 20 years from now, but you can't have nostalgia from, Oh wait a minute, these, my, my friends are not going to be here with me anymore. They're going to, you know, a different school or we're going to be on a different team. I want to. You know, think about how awesome it has been the past season or past few seasons.

Tanya: 7:34

Yeah. And actually, even in the first Inside Out, Riley had to move. That was the big change in her life. She was kind of, I mean, she was sad, but she was, they represented it as kind of like more basic, like sad, but there was nostalgia in there, missing her old place where she used to live. And I think I personally, I remember being a very nostalgic. Oh yeah, young child, like I had nostalgia. I missed when I moved from my house. I was probably like 12 years old and we had to move away to another place and I just, you know, I had such nostalgia about that house, even though I didn't like it when I was living there, I was just like, Oh my gosh, I was a very nostalgic person and I don't know, maybe not everyone is, but I do think there are certainly teenagers that experience that. Oh yeah, definitely. And

erin: 8:21

especially like it could be a nostalgia for traditions you have with your family or friendships you've had or. You know, we always mentioned animals, but animals or different teachers you've had, you know, like sometimes like when you're in middle school, you're nostalgic for being a elementary school, or when you're in high school, you remember middle school fondly, even though when you're in it, you're like, Oh, you know, so like there's different periods of our life that think there are. chances or places for nostalgia to sit and be.

Tanya: 8:48

I think that was probably just something, you know, like there's going to be some simplicities in this, right? It's a movie, it's Pixar and they have to kind of draw a line somewhere and just make a definitive type of, you know, we're just being nitpicky again as therapists and just because we, you know, we work with emotions, we work with the complexities day in and day out. So, but I really did like nostalgia and I was like, let her bring some cookies. Yeah. She's so cute. She's

erin (2): 9:12

cute. Yeah. She's very

Tanya: 9:15

cute. Yeah. Let her say what she's got to say. You know, I suppress that. But I, that's an interesting point actually in the, like kind of the pushing away of emotions because we also see Joy starting to kind of want to, you know, she was kind of the one that was in charge, which. I have a little bit of an issue with as well, but whatever we'll get to that, you know, and I think we were kind of saying like, why is joy in charge? I don't know. Maybe again, that was just kind of what Riley's set point was. I don't think that would have been my set point as a child. And I think there's more than just one emotion as a set point. But again, you know, they have to demonstrate it and show this visually somehow. But I do think that there was, Joy was trying to push away kind of some of these embarrassing moments, some of these awkward moments. It would like send them out and like, you know, that little shoot thing, which was actually, they're gone. Yeah. And that, that actually, you know, at first I was like, Hey, that's kind of like compartmentalizing, but it's also kind of repression. I think there has to be a good balance there. That was like my thought. I was like, that's cool, but Oh wait. And then it went back into like that therapist. Oh yeah. What is the

erin: 10:20

What is the therapeutic or what is the psychological impact of doing this? Like, oh wait, you had an uncomfortable conversation with somebody? Let's forget about it. Like, let's put it far away so we don't have to think about

Tanya: 10:33

it. Yeah. And that, and obviously joy comes to realize. the course of this, that, that's really not kind of how you can handle things. But I do think a lot of times that is how we get through this very awkward stage of not only puberty, but maybe transitions in general. We kind of tend to say, let's just put this over here and hopefully we're able to kind of reincorporate that back. If not, you know, maybe some issues start to come up and maybe that's when you go to therapy or maybe you start to just work on them. Right. You know, so it is kind of, I felt like it was realistic, but I was also like, no don't do all that. But like, Oh yeah, I get it. You know, so it's a little conflicted there.

erin: 11:10

Yeah. And also if you do that. It is going to come back, like if you constantly like, yeah, as a human, like, okay, well, I'm going to just not think about it, put it in the back of my mind or just, you know, that's uncomfortable. So I'm not going to feel it. It's going to show up later because you haven't worked on it. It's going to show up as something else. So, you know, we don't always think like, okay, well, I need to deal with this right now. you know, as therapists thinking this, we're like, okay, of course we want to deal with every emotion, but. It is important to because it's going to show up some other time. You're going to feel that anger, anxiety, sadness in a different way. If you're not dealing with whatever conversation or situation that happened that you didn't like.

Tanya: 11:49

For sure. For sure. And I think this is like that regulation of emotions that we, you know, at different stages in our life, we have to recalibrate. And I think it's, you know, in puberty, you literally, they show Riley, she kind of wakes up one day and she is just. real upset. She's talking about how she's, she smells and she stinks and, you know, kind of all these like awkward, embarrassing things that are new in puberty. And, you know, and then she's kind of having mood swings. She's very much like, ah, like getting mad at her mom and then really upset and sad and like everything is just kind of chaotic in her mind. Cause she's got these new sprouting emotions, these new things popping in and it's tough for them all to kind of inside her mind. You show that, you know, we see the visualization of who's going to run this ship? And Joy, of course, is like, well, it's me. And then slowly we start to see, you know, that maybe that's not something that's actually kind of helping her out. And anxiety kind of starts to take front stage of kind of saying like, you know.

erin: 12:47

Well, yeah. And anxiety at first, you're like, oh yeah, she has good points because it's, well, if this happens, if we continue to do this, it's going to be like really socially really bad for her. If we do this, if we do it, but then it's like. You know, how can we, you know, instead of having them all shipped off somewhere else so anxiety can just run the show, you know, it's both joy and anxiety had just such strong personalities and it was just really hard for them both to say like, nope, let's, we both can, you know, like we can have two emotions at once, but once they're both like, nope, you got to do it one way or the other way and that's it.

Tanya: 13:24

Yeah, like, and that's, I think that the complexity part, the involvement of Emotions is you're starting to learn. Oh wait, I can actually be really mad at this person I can still care about them. Right? It doesn't have to be like all or nothing.

erin: 13:39

Yeah.

Tanya: 13:40

That I think maybe our emotions are a bit more simplistic leading up to that point. We start to realize there's a gray area that we actually probably usually have to be in a lot of the times. Yeah. Or I can be really,

erin: 13:52

or I can be really scared or anxious, but I can also be doing something that I really enjoy and I'm having joy in it. But I can still have a lot of anxiety either before it or even during it.

Tanya: 14:04

Yeah, and I think that was kind of really tough for Joy, because Joy had been running the ship, running Riley's mind, and then with anxiety kind of felt like, No, I can plan this out. I know I can control this. I know I can make this better because I think the turning point was, I mean, probably amongst some other things as well, but what we saw in the movie is Riley's two friends going to a different high school and Riley realizing she's going to be on her own. And so she starts to believe She starts to make these core beliefs and see, Oh my gosh, I have to be really good at hockey. I have to have something where people will like me so that I won't be alone. And it starts to develop her core beliefs and grow into this new sense of self. That anxiety kind of rips out the old sense of self of I'm a good person. I do really good things. And then it's replaced with just. Yeah. All these other new. Yeah. Or beliefs that become her new sense of self. And she's really doubting herself.

erin: 15:00

Yeah. Then she gets into almost, then she gets into this almost manic state of this fury of like, I just gotta be, I gotta do this. I gotta prove myself in this hockey world and try to make the team. So I'll have friends. And so that becomes her full purpose. And it just. And that is anxiety producing. So on top of that, it's just, it just becomes a lot for this girl.

Tanya: 15:23

Yeah. And in the process of doing that, she starts to like her two best friends that she went to she's going to like this ice hockey camp because she's really into ice hockey. She's really good at it. And her two best friends are also with her too. And they're going it's with a lot of high schoolers that she wants to make the team next year. And she kind of forsakes her friends and goes on. Another team during a scrimmage with kind of the girls that she would maybe make friends with next year that she hopes to, because it's, I think she's kind of the anxiety is about self preservation, I think, you know, and it's kind of saying we need to have a plan because I am so scared now I don't have these two people

erin (2): 16:01

and

Tanya: 16:01

it comes out looking, I think, very. Selfish and heartless, but the anxiety is like telling her all these core things that are driving this

erin: 16:11

behavior. Like these are true. These, like what she's feeling and what she's thinking while she's in this state of anxiety, it's her truth. Even though it probably, you know, if she was able to slow down her mind and just slow her thing down, she might be able to see and breathe, but she's not at that stage, you know, so she's just like, okay, I got to do this. I got to do this. I got to. Yeah. Figure out what my future is. I gotta, you know, make sure I have my friends, my team, and it's just really hard. It's hard because you know, you know as therapists We always say like, you know, anxiety is you're thinking in the future. You're there, you know It's you know, you're not here in the present which you know, which they're showing very much what Riley how Riley is And what she's thinking, how she's behaving is very anxious and very much full of anxiety.

Tanya: 16:56

Yeah, and she's planning for things that she doesn't really have control over. At this point, you know, she kind of has to live in the moment and say, I can only do the best that I can do and have joy in that moment, right? Which is what, you know, You know, eventually she, her, she or her brain or both, because it's kind of, she is her brain you know, kind of come to the realization to work together and to say, Hey, it doesn't have to be one or the other. It's everything in here. And I have to learn a way that works best for me to say, I can actually have joy in these moments and, you know, maybe still be a little bit worried about some of these things, but I have to enjoy this the best that I can just being with my friends and knowing that this may be the last time, you know, we spend time on a hockey team together at this camp and being able to just kind of find joy in that. And she her brain is, you know, after a lot of kind of hijinks. type stuff, you know, where all the original emotions get banished and then they have to find their way back and all the banished emotions kind of come back and reincorporate into these beliefs becoming kind of like a reincorporated sense of self, which is more balanced, which is what we're always looking for in therapy. And I thought that part was Really cool because it really did show, I don't know that this necessarily happens with a lot of people, but I think this is an example of someone who goes through this transition in a healthy manner. There's struggles, but I think this is actually very healthy, the way it balances out. Yeah. Yeah, I was just gonna ask you, what do you, because we were kind of talking about this before. This may look very different for someone who, because Riley has a lot of support, like a lot from her parents. They are like her number one cheerleaders. They are, absolutely believe in her. She comes from a very good home. She hasn't had a lot of traumas, save having to kind of move across the country. That was, you know, traumatic for her. But nothing really. In terms of, you know, lasting trauma. And she is a very healthy individual, and this process can be really rough in terms of that. And I couldn't help but think, what about people who don't have that support or who don't develop a good sense of self? What does that look like, you know, for this process?

erin (2): 19:16

Yeah.

Tanya: 19:16

What is, what does that appear for their, you know, their emotions coming in? Are they battling them? Are they incorporating, are they throwing anger up in front saying, this has always helped me? Are they, you know, is, what is that chaos? That's, that may look very different. And obviously I know it's not literally like this, but I'm just trying to visualize it in the theme of Inside Out. Yeah.

erin: 19:38

yeah, most I don't know, maybe it's just from my own personal experience, I was going to say, most people probably don't grow up with that level of support all the time that Riley has. And also, like, she had a few advantages, I guess, being an only child. So they had, you know, like a little bit. More attention towards her. But I think a lot of like, let's just say other people go at 13 or whatever, if they don't have that support or the parents don't even recognize they're going through puberty or sad that their friend is moving or stressed about trying to get it on a team or grades or whatever else might be going on, they may be struggling with it alone and maybe stuck in that anxiety or anger, period. Period. For longer and having difficulty finding that joy in anything. If you don't have outward support of your friend group or your family or school or anything, but it seemed like Riley had support in all avenues where a lot of, where some other people might not have support in any, or they only have support in one or two.

Tanya: 20:45

Yeah. And definitely depending on, you know, if you grew up in an environment where like anger was expressed. And that was an acceptable emotion. You could, you know, kind of say, well, that's something I can use. That's what I know. Or maybe saying, I don't ever want to use that and kind of pushing that away. And maybe that gets suppressed and maybe not in a healthy way,

erin (2): 21:05

they're

Tanya: 21:05

just, there can be, you know, and obviously we think about this because this is what we deal with on a, you know, regular basis is that there usually are people who either are not aware of their emotions or they don't know how to regulate their emotions or something has become dysregulated. And so kind of digging around in there and seeing. You know, like what happened or what has happened or where are some of these beliefs coming from? Is a big part of therapy and just the questions that we ask. And I think a person who maybe doesn't have a good sense of self or maybe didn't develop Much of a sense of self could fall to a destructive pattern of emotions coming at them in a way that depending on who, you know, what friend group they're talking to, who they're feeling like, this is what I need right now. This just feels good. This gets something out and then that can cause you to be looked at as like the bad kid, or it can cause you to be looked at as. I don't know, the angry kid get you in trouble and it can start these patterns that maybe are just literally starting from the fact that you weren't given this support. You don't have this support. sense of self that you can return to.

erin (2): 22:23

We don't

Tanya: 22:23

have that kind of core to go back to. Because that's that really isn't. I think we say that a lot of people because that's our experience. We may be, are always looking at people who don't have that. You know, but I don't know what the statistics are on that, but it is. I don't know if we could ever really know that, but there are a lot of people who really don't, you know, there's not a lot of emotional awareness and that is what I think this movie brings is kind of this understanding. It's very validating. I think, you know, having worked with kids, but even just in general with therapy to say, Yeah, there's a lot to that. It's not, you're not just a bad kid, you know, because you started out like this, it may build and it may build and it may build and you may become a quote unquote bad adult. Right. But there is something to this. You're not just a rotten seed or, you know, something like, you know, because other people were given a stronger sense of self. It doesn't mean that, they have been able to do anything better or that they're a better person because I often, I don't know about you, but I often will feel like I hear from my clients that they feel very much ashamed that because they weren't given the support, they feel like they're not good enough and that there's something inherently wrong with them when really it's like, wow, that's another wound. Being wounding you, you know, because you didn't, you weren't given this and now you're being almost punished for this and this rhetoric.

erin: 23:51

Yeah. I seen a lot with clients when they're, especially you mentioned anger with when they're just in a relationship and maybe realizing that when they're having just a disagreement or an argument that maybe their partners are just, Argument style or is not matching with theirs because maybe they just saw anger from their family So they feel as though well This is how you supposed to argue without realizing that every argument doesn't have to be like a blowout It can't be like we can talk about this or other clients. I've seen like different stages of their child's life they're Remembering their childhood of like oh, I wasn't really having the support that I needed Or I didn't really finish processing this at this stage. Like, you know, for instance, like if they're at Riley's age, you know, their child's at Riley's age, and then the client might be like, oh, I have some unfinished things, or I didn't really handle my emotions differently, or I didn't have the support. I want to figure out how to make sure I do this for my child. So I see that a lot.

Tanya: 24:53

Kind of like that Arrested Development, like I've got to go back and do that work, which is tough when you're, if you're a parent and you're trying to show this for your own child and also doing your own work, or if you are just doing, you have to like almost re parent yourself, you know, in a way, because it really is not something that You know, maybe ever really progressed beyond a certain point because it, there just wasn't any support, there wasn't awareness, any awareness of it, and you just kind of had to move on and do something else, focus on something else, like put it, like, send it out to the chute, right, you know, and Do that because you didn't have the support.

erin (2): 25:30

Yeah,

Tanya: 25:30

because you still

erin: 25:31

had to survive. So it's like, yeah, just really, you know, bad thing or the scary things happening or. Whatever this that I can't really handle right now, I think, you know, I'll just go back somewhere and it might show up again years or decades later because it's unresolved or, you know, like where Riley again, it's like Riley was able to figure it out and sort it and process it and it looked a little messy at first and then it just, you know, because people are probably like, what is happening to this girl, but then it just seemed like it was, you know, Almost figured out, which that would be great if that happened for a lot of people.

Tanya: 26:14

Yeah, and I think, you know, it was presented. It is a Disney Pixar movie, right? You know, so it's like, it's kind of has to be wrapped up and nicely, even though there is some messiness in there, but

erin (2): 26:25

it's,

Tanya: 26:25

It's a healthy messiness, I think for that age and that, you know, for puberty, but I also think this could, and maybe they'll come out with more inside outs. I was talking about that, you know, with, you know, going into college, like young adulthood, because that's a whole different. Yeah. Yeah. set of emotions and things you have to incorporate in your brain and processes and ways of working. And I don't know if they'd want to get that complex because that would start to get into kind of some of the, I don't know, more adult themes maybe. And also, you know, when you're in your, I don't know if they go beyond that. I think they're kind of more geared towards. You know, kind of teenager ish stuff. Yeah, I don't think they'd be like, Alright, the 30s! Like, although that would be kind of great. Oh my gosh. Debt.

erin: 27:12

Let's talk about that.

Tanya: 27:14

Yes. Yeah. what did you think about Embarrassments kind of helping out Sadness? I liked it a lot.

erin: 27:20

I thought that was nice and it was nice that he had his voice and it was interesting too that you mentioned like helping out too because it seemed like each of them probably could have had like a buddy too. Like there's like. You know, like anxiety and fear seemed like they would have been kind of friends and disgust and envy and Sadness and you know, like, you know embarrassment. It's just You know, but it was really nice to see that. And I thought it actually made me smile when I was watching it.

Tanya: 27:51

Yeah, I really liked that. How, you know, sadness snuck in, and embarrassment covered for her. And he just he had that empathy. Because I'm sure as embarrassment, you know, he's experienced like, Oh man, I wouldn't want this to happen to anyone else. And you kind of see that opening up, you know, some of those,

erin (2): 28:08

Yeah,

Tanya: 28:08

Let me help her. Just like branched out emotions. and like kind of how emotions work together. They kind of understand each other. They kind of run into each other. But yeah it was I think overall a really great representation of a lot of these things. Of course, some of these things are just going to be simplified. I mean, it. It's not catering toward to therapists. It's catering to kids and then, you know, parents watching with their kids so they can talk about it. I think, right? Yeah, I think so. I mean I

erin: 28:37

talked about it with my son this morning. but Yeah, I think it's I think it is supposed to open up that communication like have those questions answered not all questions answered, but just some things and then also still have humor It's you know, like the like I mentioned earlier like the sarcasm cabin chasm, whatever it was like that was sarcasm

Tanya: 28:55

Yeah, that is I really thought that was a really nice play on words. So they were like, it's a sarcasm like it's the like If you speak across it, it comes off on the other side as very sarcastic.

erin: 29:07

Yeah.

Tanya: 29:07

And that really is funny because sometimes people can mistake. Yeah. Like there can be miscommunication and sarcasm or people thinking you're being sarcastic when you're not.

erin: 29:17

Yeah, especially like in text or, you know, and that's what they got. Like, you know, it's our sarcasm. It's funny because I was my family is super sarcastic. Like my family I grew up with and it, you know, like, and as a kid, it's like, Yeah. You know, like you could perceive it as like, Oh my gosh, are they mad at me? Or are they just being a jerk? Or are they trying to be funny? Like sometimes it was like, sometimes it was just like a little rough. So I know like I, yeah, so sometimes I'm just really, I really try cause I know I am sarcastic, but I try not to be so much cause I know a lot and I've worked at places. Especially in Florida, I'm just gonna, sorry Florida, but I've worked in like a lot of places in Florida where they just, a lot of people did not get sarcasm. And I, yeah because it was very difficult and like I, I think I offended a lot of people when I first moved to Florida, because it was very much like people probably thought I was the biggest, meanest jerk, and I just thought I was funny. I thought I was just being hysterical, but no one thought I was, you know, so it's just really it's funny. So, so yeah, so now I, you know, I still am, but I try not to, you know, I try to read the room a little bit sometimes.

Tanya: 30:30

Right, that's, yeah, because it's regional, I think. I think New England is a bit drier and does have more sarcasm. I think you'll meet some people who are More sarcastic around here. And yeah, I definitely recognize that when I lived in Florida I felt like it was just more laid back and kind of happy and people wouldn't understand what I was like They would take it as negativity and I was like, I'm just like actually being funny. I really have nothing invested in that Yeah, I really don't care

erin: 30:56

What I'm saying is like I really don't care like that's just like or I'm just trying to yeah, it's like Please don't refer me to HR.

Tanya: 31:02

Yeah. Yeah. Don't do that, please. Yeah. It I just, there's definitely more of a, you know, and of course, Florida, we're making a vast generalization, but like, I definitely did run into that with people who maybe, you know, were just like laid back and just were kind of like very happy, you know, people and maybe just didn't really, you know, have, you know, Sarcasm, which is great. You know, it's just that I think in New England you definitely have

erin: 31:31

Yeah, you definitely have at

Tanya: 31:32

least a little bit of sarcasm and I got it

erin: 31:34

from both ends because my mom i've told you my mom was from the bronx and my dad was from boston and then Growing up and some big sarcasm Like just like

Tanya: 31:43

it's a great big energy sarcasm Yeah. And I mean, that's yeah, you know, people understanding that and going through different life stages, you know, you're going to try to meet new people and know if they're your people or not. Right. Are they, you know, people who will understand your sarcasm, who will know you. And so that, that's very much, I think, Kind of a theme in that movie as well, too. Yeah, Riley is headed to high school with

erin: 32:09

new people Yeah,

erin (2): 32:10

and

erin: 32:11

figuring out how you know, like if they get your you know and there's interesting too in the locker room like so they're all like the Riley and her two friends are all like giggling and being all silly and dopey and you know It's like reading the room too because you want to be silly and goofy, but oh, wait a minute. Everyone else is very serious And they're trying to be mature. And you're being like a goof off. They're high schoolers. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little it's weird. It's different. You can still have fun and be silly, but it's like, not right there. Not that.

Tanya: 32:39

Right. Yeah. And now the coach is trying to talk and yeah, have a talk. Yeah. Cause they realize, Oh, this is a more serious team, but you'll have to watch it if you have no idea what we're talking about, but we're basically just saying the things that, uh, we think are really kind of interesting, you know, pointing out the different. stages of development and just the things that you learn at different points, I think, typically, probably just a very Western perspective. I don't know why I'm pointing that out in case there's anybody non Western listening to this. I don't know. But yeah, so I, I really think it is a great movie. It is, I think it provides good talking points for a therapist, for somebody who's around that age or just in general, you know, you know, younger kids or parents, things like that. But I also think personally, I found myself really relating to like having this great visualization of the core beliefs and how that really becomes, it branches out to become your sense of self. And it just really stuck with me. I really loved that.

erin: 33:45

Yeah. That was my favorite part too. It's just like the visualization of it. And then I started thinking of how many things in my life personally have happened like with family or friends or school or jobs or. anything or, you know, relationships, marriage, you know, that have become, that have gone into that little river and become, you know, believe. Yeah,

Tanya: 34:11

for sure. And also how you know, at the end it's basically like, you know, it became its own thing and Reilly. is in control of that, right? Like she has her own sense of self. And I think that really says something about what we feel we can do to help ourselves and to call up particular parts of ourselves, know ourselves, know that we are not defined by one, you know, awkward moment where we tripped and fell in front of the whole school or, you know, whatever your kind of nightmare core memory is, you know, or if you have a few of them like me.

erin: 34:46

I have a couple.

Tanya: 34:47

Yeah. And to say that's not who you are. You know, it's not who you are as a person, but okay, these things happened and you know, how are we going to move forward in it? Yeah. But yeah, it was a great movie. We liked it. Check it out. It's not quite free

erin: 35:04

yet but I have, well, if you have Disney plus, I have Disney plus. Oh, okay. Okay. But again, Disney Plus isn't free. So, so I guess. Yeah, if you have, if

Tanya: 35:14

you're, you know, if it, but I'm sure you've probably already seen it if you have Disney Plus, right? But it is on Amazon Prime. You can rent it for, I think it was like 5. 99, you can buy it for 20, 20 bucks or something like that. It would probably be

erin: 35:27

fun to watch both of them back. It's up to you. I was going to say, it would probably be fun to watch both of them back to back and then you can listen to a podcast. Yeah. We have now we'll have our episodes of. A little self promotion of Inside Out 1 and now Inside Out 2. You can do that. See if it.

Tanya: 35:42

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. You can go back and watch both of them. Yeah. Because we really like this because it is very relevant towards emotions and feelings and a visual representation. We don't have very much of that. So we're going to really. You know, uh, focus on that when

erin: 35:57

it comes out. And it is nice. I know, like, it's like I have, like, I ebbed and flowed with my thoughts, but I do feel like it's really great because it has a, it gives you a talking point too. It brings up the conversation of mental health and it brings up the conversation of what anxiety is and what you're feeling during those different stages. And I, I think it's, I think it's great. I think it's, I think it is good. I mean, there were some parts I was like, oh, but there's other parts that I just really liked. I liked. Yeah, for sure.

Tanya: 36:26

So recap, let nostalgia stay for the two years. Yes, that was the part, like,

erin: 36:31

Come on people. Yeah, she's cool, you know, whatever.

Tanya: 36:33

She's my lady.

erin: 36:34

Yeah, she's one of your golden

Tanya: 36:36

girls. Oh yeah, I'd be hanging out with her in a rocking chair eating the cookies, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, and you know, joy and anxiety can both kind of, along with all the other emotions can, you know, help to form who we are, right? Yeah. And there's going to be so many more if they continue with these inside outs or as you can imagine. You probably know if you're an adult listening to this, how many more develop and incorporate in mesh together. And yeah there's lots of changes. But yeah, we think it's a great way of representing this and good for talking points for our field. So we hope you get to watch it because it was really fun. It was pretty great. Yeah. Whichever way you can. And we are not affiliated with this. We just love watching movies. We do. And talking about them. We are the Siskel and Ebert. I was just going to say. And husband says. Yes. Yes.

erin: 37:28

Siskel and Ebert. Or. That's our new name.

Tanya: 37:31

We will decide who is Siskel and who is Ebert next time. We have to look them up because I always knew their names, but I never really knew them individually. I believe they both passed. I don't think, I don't think

erin: 37:41

either are both lookers. So I don't know. Like that we want to compare ourselves. But we'll see. We'll see. We'll let you know. Stay tuned. Stay tuned for to find

Tanya: 37:56

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erin: 38:19

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Tanya: 38:28

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erin: 38:40

And don't forget, stay wicked. And keep your mind well. Okay. Well have a good week and we'll talk to you soon. Bye bye. Take care guys. Bye.

38:49

We Wish You a Merry Christmas I'm going to be doing a lot of this. So, uh, I'll see you guys later.