Don’t Say It 3 Times! Beetlejuice: The Cult Classic

In this episode of Wicked Psychotherapists, Tanya and Erin venture into the bizarre and iconic world of Beetlejuice. 

They dive deep into the film’s eccentric charm, exploring psychological and intergenerational themes hidden beneath its quirky humor.

From the significance of the Maitlands’ home and the bizarre bureaucracy of the afterlife to speculating about what the sequel might hold, they unpack the film’s unique take on family dynamics, depression, and personal struggles. 

With a mix of nostalgia and analysis, they shed light on how this cult classic continues to resonate—both as a fun flick and a surprisingly poignant exploration of mental health.

Tune in for a spooky and insightful discussion that will make you see Beetlejuice in a whole new light (without saying his name three times!)

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You are listening to Wicked Psychotherapists, a podcast where two psychotherapists show you that taking care of and learning about mental health doesn't have to be wicked hard.

Tanya: 0:31

Hey everyone, this is Tanya. Hi, this is Erin and welcome to Wicked Psychotherapist. so today we have a really fun topic to talk about. It's an old classic movie. Well, I guess not really old to us, but old to maybe some people out there. We are going to be talking about Beetlejuice. So, I just wanted to say it three times. I know, I was just gonna tell you don't say it three times. We gotta be careful about it. But yeah, this is, we're, you know, because this is in, when you'll be hearing this, it'll be in October, it's got a very Halloween theme, and also, it's exciting because the, By the time this is released, the sequel, after like 36 years, is gonna be coming out in, I believe, in September. So we thought this would be a fun time to talk about this. So, you know, it, we always have the psychological mental health themes that we're gonna focus on, but of course there's just, it's just a fun thing to talk about. Cause, I, how many times have you seen the movie? Oh my gosh Yeah. More than probably more than 15. Yeah, I would say same. Yeah, I can't even count I mean, it's probably been like, you know, 15 20 30 I don't even know because it used to just be on TV and I would just watch it from there You know And then I actually went and watched it in a theater like one of my friends rented out like, you know You can like rent out a theater and just have like people you invite to go and see the movie and so we, we did that for Beetlejuice a few years back. But yeah, so this was always one of my favorites. I loved it. I think I saw this in the movie theater when it came out. I might be imagining that, but I definitely saw it again on the TV like broadcasting it many times. But when I think of it, I think of Halloween. I get very nostalgic. I love The characters, the makeup, the actors the plot, it's just so unique. Tim Burton, of course, is such a visionary. He's wild and I just love the way his brain thinks. I think this was like his first full length movie, I think I remember reading, which is pretty awesome

Erin: 2:38

okay. I was always wondering if Edward Scissorhands came out before that. But. I guess this came out before that, before Edward Scissorhands then.

Tanya: 2:47

This was 88, I don't know, I think it was after Edward Scissorhands, I think it was 1990, so yeah, it was a couple years after and I love that Tim Burton, he has recurring themes and uses recurring actors like Johnny Depp and Winona Ryder, he's like a big fan of. of them and their kind of vibe, their gothic y vibe, which I always loved. That was like, oh, I had a huge crush on. Still sort of doing a little weirded out to say. But he's not in this movie, so I don't know.

Erin: 3:16

No, he's not.

Tanya: 3:17

Just talking about Tim Burton, I guess. Yeah, so I, I think there's a lot of themes in here, right? With the family, with the house, with the demon itself, Beetlejuice. You know, that I think we can explore. The first thing that comes to my mind when I'm just kind of thinking of the sequence of the movie is that the couple that lives there, Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin, they're the Maitlands. That's their last name. Very much. Just a, you know, single couple don't have a child, have this beautiful big house in New England. You see all these like New England shots and I've actually seen the covered bridge that, that shows up in there. In, what was it in New Hampshire or Vermont? I don't remember, but it's like, I remember seeking it out and being like, Oh my God, that's the bridge. Oh, okay. Or it looked like it. I don't know. It's got a lot of New Englandy vibes, which we love. And there is this instant connection, I think, like, psychologically with the Maitlands. Their house is very much an expression of themselves. You know, they're, they put up, they put a lot of time into it. They take a staycation to just like decorate their house. They're very into it. They're very that's their sanctuary that's what they really love, and I really like that aspect of it. So, I think that's kind of sets us up for the rest of the movie. It's kind of psychologically like, okay, this is their safe haven, this is what they put their heart and soul into, this is their safe place. And then they unfortunately die in a car accident. Or like, they go off the bridge that I was just talking about and it's all because of a little doggie that they're trying to avoid hitting. But when they die, they go back to their house and, They realize they're ghosts and they're kind of weirded out, but they're also well, you know, maybe it isn't so bad if we have our home, right?

Erin: 5:00

Yeah, we're here, we're together, nothing has changed. Yeah. And it feels safe for them at first.

Tanya: 5:06

Yeah, and it seems like there's Then there's kind of like a shift, right? There's kind of like a transition that they have no control over with the Dietzes that move in. And it becomes this new setting. They start ripping off all the wallpaper that they put up so carefully, and they start the house is like representative of like, this is their comfort, like New England y kind of countryside home. And all of a sudden they're realizing, oh my gosh, we're gonna have to spend, the Maitlands are saying we're gonna have to spend eternity with these people who are very. you know, typical, stereotypical, like, New York high fashion into art and, you know, kind of pretentious and for show and things like that. So, we see that kind of dynamic come in where they're basically like their comforts are being stripped away right in front of them and they can't do anything about it. So that, that was kind of, to me, like, I know this is, like, so, like, meta analyzation, but it kind of felt like, When, like, transitions in our lives, when you kind of feel helpless, and you can't really do much about it, and you're, you just kind of feel like, okay, I don't know what it is that I can do to rectify this, but I have to somehow survive in this. And I know it's like a total meta analyzation, but it did kind of just come to me with that. I don't know, the house was very symbolic to me. But, yeah, were you seeing any themes with, like, the house, and then the move in with the Dietzes?

Erin: 6:30

Yeah, I think having people moving into their house, I think it made them realize not only is this who I'm going to have to live with for all eternity, it kind of made them almost sad about their death. Because before it was just like, all right, this is what happened and it's kind of scary and, but then it was, wait a minute, this is. We're kind of stuck here and it probably felt a little more real and isolating and depressing for them too.

Tanya: 7:00

Yeah, for sure. And there is one saving grace because there is the mother Delia who's very pretentious, the dad I don't remember his name, Charles and he's just laid back and kind of gives in to the whims of Delia, and the daughter Lydia who's kind of, she is. Very much into like the undead and very gothic wears like a black veil over her head And she's you know, I love the quote that she says like I myself am the strange and unusual Or she says something like I think people tend to be afraid of the strange and unusual, but I myself am the strange and unusual. And I just love that. Yeah. So right there, you know, like there's a little bit, there might be a connection with the Maitland's, like she's kind of open to that. She's not really into all this pretentious, like that, that Delia, her stepmother is. So I think, and I think there's also themes of depression with Lydia.

Erin: 7:55

Oh yeah, definitely.

Tanya: 7:56

She's definitely has like cries for help, and I think Delia, her stepmom, and her like unwitting dad who kind of just goes along with her are always trying to give off this image of like being that perfect family, like very successful, and Lydia's just that's just not how it is, and she's like, she says these things like, Ugh, like, that are kind of cries for help, that are, you know, depression wise, and so it's a little, you know, that nothing's being done or like her stepmother will be like, Oh, quit being so dramatic or like, just laugh. Just enjoy the fresh air, you know, it's pushed to the side. Yeah.

Erin: 8:30

Yeah. Cause she does have some suicidal thoughts or talk or she, you know, she seems like she's in a state of depression, but it is. Dismissed because, oh, I have to remodel this home or I have to let people know how successful I am. And if you're being this way or you're acting this way, it's just kind of a drag and it's not really fitting. the mold or who I'm trying to be or who I'm trying to represent. Yeah, that persona of like the perfect family. It's kind of funny, it's ironic because Delia, the stepmother, her art is pretty horrendous and it's not very successful and at one point she ends up getting like trapped by it, which is really like so symbolic of like she's trapped by her like claw like thing.

Tanya: 9:20

But it's I liked that at this point, it's so funny because the name of the movie is Beetlejuice, and I think he's actually, the character Beetlejuice, Michael Keaton, is only on screen for like 17 minutes.

Erin: 9:33

Of the whole movie?

Tanya: 9:34

Yeah. Really? Yeah. Like it's only, yeah, that's what, I was reading something saying that. I'm not completely positive, but he's actually not on screen very much, if you think about this.

Erin: 9:44

Well, if you think about it too, if you, especially if you re watch it a thousand times It's one of those things where you're like, oh, wow, he's so cool or fun and then you're like, oh my gosh He's so crass and annoying and I know they try to make him like that, but it's very it's difficult sometimes to Watch him and maybe that's why he's only on it for 17 minutes because you really start to really love Lydia and The other characters involved in the movie.

Tanya: 10:11

Yeah, maybe he's like too much that Yeah, they kind of, but I mean it fills in the time of, it definitely doesn't seem like he's only on for 17 minutes, but yeah, he has a lot to take in. So Beetlejuice comes in when the Maitlands are like needing support, they're like so fed up, they're like we need help, and they look at this handbook that they've been left, the handbook for the recently deceased, that you know, and they end up like drawing a door, they go into this like magic world, Or like, portal into a world where it's basically set up like a bureaucratic

Erin: 10:44

Yeah. DMV.

Tanya: 10:45

You know, kind of, like DMV, yeah. That's what it reminds me of. I always loved that part, and I do admit, when I was younger, I did try to draw a door with chalk and knock on it and be like, Is there something there? Like,

Erin: 10:58

Can I escape?

Tanya: 11:00

Yeah, I was like, that's kind of, like, fun. I was like, I just thought it was such a cool idea, like, oh my god, draw a door. It was great.

Erin: 11:06

Yeah. And then you have the person smoke the I always remember the one with smoke that or the guy someone smoking and it was just so Disturbing. It's like, nothing's left because the cancer is like, destroyed. Oh yeah, the like, shrunken guy or whatever. Yeah, like, he's smoking, he's like, I'm trying to cut down to like, a hundred packs a day or something.

Tanya: 11:27

And then like, the lady that's cut in half and just, and just all the characters there. And then the one that has the shrunken head that's Yeah. Really, yeah. Yeah there's so many characters that you just associate immediately with.

Erin: 11:39

And you're like, oh my gosh, that's how they died. That's what happened. And then, yeah, the next couple,

Tanya: 11:43

so, so pure looking and just like, ah, just what did we get ourselves into? Yeah, and they like have to take a number and then meet with their caseworker, like a social worker, like, and her name's Juno, and It's like almost like this is how you are dead. There's rules to being dead. There's a way there's a whole system like a bureaucratic system And it's so funny because that's how Beetlejuice comes into their life where they're like This is we have to wait this long and we can't really do anything We don't have any power and then they're like, let's look for alternatives and they find Yeah, he has this ad that if you just say his name three times, he'll come out and Exorcise the demons, sort of, you know, from the house. So he's all, he's like a, he's definitely a, like a used car salesman, you know, kind of type. He's really crass and dirty and gross. But they're desperate, the Maitlands, and so they kind of reach out for his help, and he just makes things worse. He like, scares the, he ends up scaring the Dietzes, including Lydia, and it just is like a disaster. But. Yeah, and then they end up, you know, because Beetlejuice is so crass, like, they end up becoming very paternal to Lydia, too. Yeah, like, maternal and paternal, yeah, they're kind of like very, like, they want to protect her, yeah. And, I mean, it's almost like, she is like that daughter that they never had, and, She needs like a family who can see that she's in pain and Barbara, I think it is Barbara the Maitland Gina Davis, she like recognizes that a lot. And so does Alec Baldwin. I can't remember his name. Yeah. But the other Maitland. Yeah. And I really, I think it's interesting though, that they, it's like almost like there's a commentary, I think from Tim Burton. He does this in other movies where it's like, The standardized, bureaucratic way is like crap, and, but then you have this other option, and maybe that doesn't really work either, and you kind of have to find your own solution in life, and I think he, I think from reading some of Tim Burton's background, that kind of makes sense, I think he grew up in like a very conservative environment, if I'm not mistaken, and so I think he kind of has like this rebellious side against it, but he also realizes There's like practicality in between. Yeah. Sort of. Almost like the old Grimm fairy tales, too. You know, like remember like the Grimm fairy tales? It wasn't, it was like, ah, this is kind of really a scary choice either way. You know, it's not happy. There's not really a happy ending. Yeah. I think for him it was like, just this like, complexity of like, it's, there's no like, there's like, you kind of have to figure this out on your own, maybe. And I think that's how he expressed that like, frustration or like, unknowing is in his movies. I don't know why I'm going into Tim Burton's mind, but he does fascinate me. Yeah, he is very interesting. Yeah, for sure. He definitely has a lot of my favorite movies. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, I think, you know, and then they realize that, That Beetlejuice is not their answer. They try to like, put him back, but he's kind of been unleashed. He's out. Yeah. Yeah, he's out of his whatever. I don't know how he was like, cursed. I think maybe Juno or something used to work with him, and then she like, put him in, I don't know. That place, yeah, somewhere. Shrunk him, made him powerless or something. Yeah, don't say his name! Yeah, like the and, At one point, Lydia is actually suicidal and writes a suicide note and wants to, like, you know, unknowingly, like, doesn't know that Beetlejuice caused all this, wreaked all this havoc and tries to get his help but she stopped. You know, the Maitlands stop her before she says it, like, a third time. So, there definitely is a lot of themes I almost want to say like it's intergenerational, but it's like interdimensional kind of trauma, you know, like there's like the ghosts that like, they're like, this is our home is being taken away from us, like our, like what we know. And then the Dietz is like needing to, you know, trying to just be themselves and trying to be this image of themselves. And Lydia is just kind of stuck in the middle. Like, I just need someone to help me. I'm depressed. Yeah. But there even, but it kind of is like, well, it does become kind of like different family relationships because at the end they all figure out how to live together. But Lydia's father too, it seems like he's been trying to find himself too. Like it's like, I don't want all this modern art or I don't really know who I am. I just want this normal section of this room of myself. So it just feels like a normal house. I want to keep this part how it was. It's Yeah, he does like the study because he kind of, it's implied he kind of had like a break, like a nervous break in the city, like he was working too hard and he kind of needs some air and like normalcy and yeah, like just kind of some calmness and so yeah he decides to keep that part, like the study or whatever. Yeah I really loved the, all the different, like, Oh my god, the sandworms. The sandworms. When they, like, go outside, when they try to step outside the house, they get into, like, this other sandworm dimension. I never really understood that. Like, kind of, like, is it just, like, a weird other Dimension or is there something? I don't know. Is it's like a maybe Tim Burton like the movie Tremors. I don't know I think that was before Tremors wasn't it? Was it? I don't know. It feels like Tremors. I mean there's like a thousand Tremors, so maybe I don't know. It just seems like I remember the one with Kevin Bacon. That's all yeah He was there was like three or four of them. I think I don't know if Kevin was in all of them though Let's see. Let's see when Tremors came out Oh, Tremors was 1990, the first one. So right about maybe he just felt maybe there's a sandworm theme in the late 80s. Yeah, there was something going on with sand worms. I, yeah, I don't know. I feel like with Tim Burton, I don't know, I'm probably reading way too much into this that there's like always a little bit of symbolism in there, and I, but I don't know. I remember that always freaked me out, like, oh my God, you go in there and then you just, like, where do you go if it catches you in its mouth? Like, what's the other world he disappeared to? Maybe that's it. Maybe it's kind of like nightmares and not like the unknown sort of, you know, and that's kind of, I just think Tim Burton expresses that so well, but. Yeah, it is. It's kind of like your dreams and your nightmares, you know, reality, fantasy, life, death. It's all just kinda like Yung like, like Carl Yung got a lot of those dreams and death stakes and Yeah. It's like, yeah. And who's gonna analyze it? Yeah. That's like, that, that is really interesting. I do find that part really cool. Are there any visuals that kind of, that stick out to, I mean, amongst the many but ones that you like immediately think of when you think of Beetlejuice? Well, I always, like you mentioned it, like when the artwork holds them. Imprisoned, you know, that's you know, it's kind of interesting or of course the end with the dancing and You know the that part whenever you know Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they're like dancing with it. Yeah. That is kind of, it's funny, it's such a contrast to like, it's like these tropical vibe song that it contrasts with the like peaceful new Englandy, like, I don't know, setting. And again, I think Tim Burton does that a lot, and I really that yeah, because it's totally, and also it's different than the entire movie. Yeah. So you're like, what? Okay, so this is how it's ending, and this is how it is, and everyone's happy. Yeah, and it seems like, you know, kind of, Lydia, they've come to some compromise at the end, where Lydia, you know, she comes home and the Maitlands are checking on her, almost as if they're like parental figures, like, how'd you do on the test, and blah blah blah, and then, you know, she gets to like, go up in the air if she did well, or whatever, and dance, and experience some ghostly stuff. So, it seems like, and they're also redecorating part of the house, like, for their own. In their own style, so it seems like there was a compromise made with the house and with kind of a co parenting, maybe, like ish situation. Yeah, and the parents kind of accept her Lydia's parents and, you know, accept, you know, that, okay, other people are living here with us. Yeah, and like concede that they may need their own space, even though they're ghosts. They kind of, it's kind of accepted, right, you know, and I wonder if that's kind of a thing. I always like analyze down to even that. So maybe that is like the different generational, you know, like you mentioned before, you know, like, oh, well, maybe different dimensions, but maybe it is supposed to symbolize like multi generations living amongst the same roof or how to, how do you live when There are different groups of parents. parenting the same child. I could see that. I could also see it's like a different like types of people like because in the 80s there was very much that go you need to get to the top materialism and like the yuppies who were like very into do you remember that term the yuppies like yeah you know that and I think it might be that The Maitlands were very simple and really liked to just kind of be, and the Dietzes were very kind of, you know, like, showy and kind of represented that, I don't know, I guess, yuppie lifestyle of like, we need to have, like, the most modern stuff and the most expensive stuff, and maybe how they can kind of coexist, or maybe how It just would look in that world. And also how deep down it's really not that different, you know, you still want the same thing. You still want probably family and happiness and comfort like as shown by the father. Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe it's like just a connection there because I know that is a big Tim Burton theme as well too. He definitely has things about like conservative conservatism and Different kind of classes of people like socioeconomic status and trends and stuff like that. So I think he definitely was making some sort of commentary. Like the maintenance are very simple, very country, you know, very kind of New England y. Yeah, just stereotypical plaid shirt, Volvo, what, whatever, you know, just what you picture. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so I'm really curious about this sequel and I'm wondering because by the time this is released, some people may have seen it in the theaters or otherwise and I'm curious, what do you think, what are some predictions that you have for the movie? Or some thoughts? I don't know I haven't seen too much, but I just, I love that the cast, I love that Jennifer Ortega is the daughter, I believe, of Lydia? Is that what it is? I think so, yeah, I think Jennifer Ortega is the, is Lydia's daughter, yeah. Yeah. That's what it seems like. So, I think it should be really interesting. I'm not really sure, I guess, are they still in the same house? And it just, it should be, I'm not really sure what, what exactly is supposed to happen. So, I'm excited that there's going to be You know, we could see what's happened with the characters and maybe Beetlejuice will have more than 17 minutes. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't need to again. I don't know. Yeah, maybe he'll have less. I love that they're using some of the same actors like Michael Keaton is going to be Beetlejuice and, yeah, Ryder, of course. And yeah I think what it is, I've seen a preview for this movie. There's been an official trailer released and for the second Beetlejuice and I know that it's like, the father dies and they're, it looks like Lydia is kind of like off in her own life and she's going back to the house to settle affairs or I don't know if it was given to her. It's one of those things. So that's the kind of return to the house. Okay. But and then of course there's going to probably like Jenna Ortega is probably, you know, they're her daughter. I don't know her name, but the movie, but she'll probably be curious about this demon that may be Lydia will tell her about or something or maybe she finds out somehow and then Beeldeuce will make a reappearance. Yeah, and is the family still in the attic and I know and I wonder that I don't think that I wonder how they're going to explain that because I don't think Geena Davis and Alec Baldwin's been having his own issues, so I don't think that either one of them are in it, so there's probably going to be some explanation maybe for why they're not there. Yeah, and then you'd also have to explain, I didn't know ghosts could age. Right, right, exactly, unless they have some great makeup there, I don't know. Yeah. CGI or whatever. Yeah, that, that's probably why they're not. Yeah. coming back because you would expect them to still look the same. Well, I think it might be that or it might just be like, maybe that just is not the storyline. Maybe they just like they move on to like, maybe that was like their kind of spot for now and then they move on to like another afterlife. I actually that was what I was curious about when I saw it because it didn't address that and I'm and that might be brought up in the first little bit like, hey, you know what, this was their purgatory. And now they're, you know. Yeah, they're like, wherever the, yeah, wherever the bureaucratic society sends them, or whatever it is, but I'm really looking forward to see if there's any, like, new creative monsters, or like, you know, kind of, Visuals and things that really stick with you with Tim Burton. He's so creative with that I'm, really looking forward to that. That's something I want to yeah, he has he's very he's yeah he for sure is he's got quite the imagination. I really admire. Yeah, Yeah, and it will be interesting too with the second movie if the stepmother is still alive and still there How that dynamic has changed? You know, then if Lydia and her daughter, so then there's three women, like, if they're gonna address the relationship with mothers and daughters, too. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And I do believe she is in it. I can't remember her name in real life, but she's been in, she's, you know, was on Home Alone, up Schitt's Creek, or Schitt's Creek, whatever it's called, you know, she's been in Nightmare Before Christmas. Yeah. She's, yeah, she's a big yeah, but that could be a good psychological component to of like how that's addressed how you know, then if the you know, the stepmother is grieving, you know How you know grieving your father who died grieving your husband? That's gonna be probably be Spoken about or a theme as well I also think revisiting old demons, like, literally and figuratively, right? You know, with Lydia, that may be, like, a time when she was very depressed, and I'm guessing she's probably, you know, worked through some of that stuff. I don't know, you know, maybe it's still there but to see how that is, revisiting a place where She had, you know, depression, and she was dealing with, you know, her stepmother, and the fact that she just didn't feel like anybody saw her and going back into that environment, and how that'll be, too. So I'm interested in that for sure. Yeah, remembering who you were as a teenager and bringing up that state of sadness or depression can be really hard because sometimes as adults we try to push it away and you know it's like okay that was who I was then but then going back and just oh wait I'm at that physical spot this person or this demon or this entity is reminding me who I was and all that come back that can be difficult. Yeah and I wonder if like the demon like Beetlejuice is. a reminder of like those demons, like those psychological demons, you know. I'm probably overreaching, but that's just in my mind. That's what I think of it as. I also wonder, has Beetlejuice changed? Probably not but has he had lessons learned? Well, I mean, they left it. At the end of Beetlejuice, he had his head shrunk. Remember when he was in the waiting room? Yeah, that's right. He got eaten by the sandworm or whatever too, right? And then he ended up in the, yeah, he was in the bureaucratic system. Yeah, and he was like doing something with the person who, the hedge, he was, I don't remember why. He stole his number in line. Oh, that's right. And then he got his head shrunk. Yeah, he was like, just did that. He's like, wait. Ow. Yeah. So I'm sure that's been, rectified. I'm sure his head's back to normal, but. I mean, we never know, right? Yeah, but he doesn't seem like I'm curious about that. He doesn't seem, yeah, he doesn't seem like someone that would have learned any real lessons. No and Beetlejuice himself just psychologically is just kind of like pure self centeredness, narcissism, like kind of psychopath, right? Like, he's just out for his own interests. he doesn't think about anyone but himself. He's just trying to get what he wants. His wants, needs, his enjoyment, what is fun for him trying to take other people down with him and not caring how it might Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It shows up and he, like, always promotes himself as, like, a helper, you know, and then when he gets out, he just gets what he wants and just does what he does, so. Yeah he's very much a Hedonistic and Yeah. Oh, yeah. But, you know, I do think this movie is such a classic. I think it endures with so many people, so many generations. I think that's why they're able to make a second one because it's not only like our generation and people that have seen it around that time, but I think even younger generations. Yeah, it's a, it's definitely a cult classic. I mean, I think, you know, everyone, even if you don't love Beetlejuice the character, there's something about the movie that draws people back to it. Like we both had said, like we've seen it so many times. Like it's, there's just different and it's one of those movies too that each time you see it, you're probably seeing something different or you're thinking of a different part. Cause I know when I first saw it as a teen. I really was like, oh gosh, I really love Lydia. I love her hairstyle. I love her. And then probably as you watch it again, it's like, yeah, I still love her, but I can understand how the couple who died, how they feel. Then it's like, oh wait, now I understand how the stepmother probably felt. She probably felt like, okay, I have to be so over the top because I'm being introduced to this family that was already established, this daughter and father. And you know, so each person is so complex. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. I, and I think that's so true about a lot of movies when you revisit them at different phases of your life and different ages and decades you're going to see something different and you're going to start to understand, but probably reflective of your own experiences and just life and life experience and wisdom. But. It is interesting to watch these movies where, when I was a kid, I just thought, oh, this is just like, I really didn't see, I just thought it was goofy, and I just thought it was kind of cool, and, you know, weird, and I liked that, and then I started to kind of realize, like, oh, there's some themes in here. After a while, I mean, I really didn't realize it for a while, so, yeah, it took me a bit, but. Yeah, there really is a lot to, to learn from the different perspectives and different family members and seeing and understanding where everyone's coming from. And if you're into, you know, analyzing that, some people just like it as a fun movie, right? Because it is fun. It has fun music. It's silly. There's, Demons, it's scary, it's funny, it's, yeah. Yeah, it's like visually pretty stunning, you know, especially for 1988, it was like, I think it won an award for the makeup or the costumes or something, so it was like, I mean, it was really well done, and I'm excited to see that too, like, what the, you know, what their The cost or the dress and the, you know, kind of things for the characters, what they're going to look like, or be like, is Lydia still kind of gothic y, or is she out of that kind of thing? I don't know. I'm curious about it. Yeah, I doubt she's wearing pink, but it'll be interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that with that, you know, what, This is one of the movies that I will watch every year around Halloween, maybe even before. I think I actually watched it already this year, but I of course like to watch it around Halloween. It just reminds me of like that spooky, weird, creative, I don't know, oddball vibe, and like, there's the undead, there's the monsters the characters the things that you just, you know, always find comfort in. I do the New England scenes, too. I really like that, cause, you know, it's very, kind of, I don't know, it's just comforting. But yeah, so I think that's what makes it, a cult classic like to me and I think obviously a lot of other people think so too. Yeah, are we Do we have anything else we want to add in here? I think that was a nice cult classic that we were able to discuss that. Yeah, I think so I mean, I think it's yeah, and it's like we'll be releasing this around halloween. So Yeah, you know maybe right around the time with the sequel too. Maybe it's also encourage people to dress up like Lydia or beetlejuice for halloween Yeah. Yeah. Although, I don't know if Beatle do so be politically correct now. No, and I understand why, because he's kind of like a pervert and kind of wants to marry a young girl. Oh, Gary. I'm like curious why? I'm like, oh yeah. I guess people don't like perverts. Yeah. They might be like but I don't know. Maybe that's not really, that's not the take on him anymore. I don't know. I mean, or they just recognize it was just like, I dunno. Yeah. Or maybe'cause he was unde, he never really was part, you know, maybe people never thought of that. Yeah, that's true. He's just disgusting. He's just creepy. He's just creepy no matter what, because he's gross. That's true. Yeah. There's a lot to think of, and I definitely do want to, I may not go to the theaters to see it, because I think I'm actually going on a trip. I'll be on a trip the day it's released. Or I'll be somewhere the day it's released, but I do intend to watch it somehow. So, I definitely want to. What about you? Yeah. I mean, I don't know when it's released, but yeah, I'll probably end up watching it at home or something. Yeah. Definitely gonna watch the first one and then gear up for that and then somehow find that. There's a, there's another there's another sequel that's coming out that I'm kind of excited about to, like, or there's just some stuff coming out, like Wednesday is coming out with a new season, if you're really good. I've been Ortega. I've been worried that wasn't going to come back. I was Thinking about that the other day. I was like, ah, I hope they're working on one and so stranger things Yeah That's like that one took a while to come out, but this is the last season that one is like in the works It'll be out probably the next couple months I think But yeah, that's I kind of got out of that but I used to really Yeah, I only I kind of, I, I think because I was so hyped up, I was like, eh, I'm not gonna watch this anymore. Yeah. I get like the, I don't know what's wrong with my brain, but if it's something super popular a lot of times I just don't, I get disinterested. Me too. I usually do too, but for some reason I hopped on this trend and I really did like it, but then I kind of got out of it because there was a long break between, I mean, just probably COVID related or whatever it was, I don't know. Yeah, or strike related or something. Strike, yeah, I think that's what it was, yeah. But that's exciting. There's a lot of fall spookiness coming up. Or is already here when we release this. Yeah. So, I am super, super excited for a lot of that stuff. But, yeah. You know, I think you all should, if you have not seen the original Beetlejuice, go watch it. If it's not your cup of tea, you're probably not listening to this. And, or maybe you are, I don't know, but. I don't know. Check out the second one, we have no affiliation with them, it's just we think it'll be interesting and. Yeah. We'll probably talk about it somewhere down the road, right? Yeah. We like Tim Burton, you know. Oh yeah. Yeah, Tim Burton is, that's great. But yeah, so we hope you enjoyed this talk of the classic Beetlejuice and it is you know, a good reminder to you know, watch this during the spooky season if you need a reminder and to catch the sequel. Yep. And don't say it three times, say Beetlejuice. Yeah. Yeah. Be careful with that. I don't know if that, maybe, who knows, maybe that will have changed too, but we'll see. Yeah. 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