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The Kennedy Legacy: Unraveling the Hidden Struggles and Mental Health Insights- Part 2

• Erin Gray, and Tanya Dos Santos • Season 1 • Episode 15

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 Step into the world of the Kennedys like never before! 

Join hosts Tanya and Erin as they continue to unravel the history of  The Kennedys and delve into the untold tales of one of America's most iconic families. 

In this episode, explore the psychological facets of the Kennedys' legacy, exposing layers of complexity and intrigue. 

From hidden emotions to the impact on American history, discover the secrets that shaped the Kennedy dynasty. 

If you're fascinated by history, psychology, and the allure of the Kennedy family, this episode is a must-listen! 

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Tanya\:

Hello, everyone. I'm Tanya Dos Santos,

Erin:

And I'm Erin Gray.

Tanya\:

and this is Wicked Psychotherapist, a podcast brought to you by two therapists who love coffee and who want to bring some casual talk to mental health counseling.

Erin:

We also bring coffee, tea, and discuss what's in our cups every week. And we hope to share these perspectives with all of you. we hope to infuse a little bit of our experiences and personality in the field of mental health to broaden your noggin.

Tanya\:

So, speaking of, water, coffee, or tea what are you drinking today, Erin? You got to...

Erin:

well today, funny you should ask Tanya, I'm drinking tea with milk. I had to go to my Irish roots. You know, like I figured I would do hot tea with a little bit of sugar and milk to ode to the Kennedys and my nanny. And, I don't know if you can see, who this very handsome man is. It is!

Tanya\:

It's your boy, James Spader, your crush!

Erin:

It is! I am, magically, it appeared in my mail yesterday.

Tanya\:

I had to, I saw it, it randomly, it popped up on Amazon. I, you know, Aaron was a little sick and I was looking for something just like, you know, a little tea basket or something and all of a sudden saw I saw James Spader, and in his, in that picture, it just was like, Yup

Erin:

And it's so funny because James Spader doesn't usually look smiley. Like in most things he's usually like very sarcastic or something and like any of the shows you see him And so this is that this made me laugh as soon as I saw it. I appreciate it so I think I'll probably be drinking out of James a lot

Tanya\:

that's amazing.

Erin:

And who am and who or what do you have as your mug? And what are you drinking today?

Tanya\:

So I have a little tie with my mug. So I'm drinking just decaf coffee with some coconut milk, which is kind of my standard. But I have, for the Office fans out there has the

Erin:

best boss

Tanya\:

Michael's cup that he has, world's best boss, and if you are an Office fan, you know that James Spader, in the later seasons, played a pretty big role for a couple of seasons on there, and he was he was a pretty awesome character, so, we actually, we kind of have Connecting mugs, And um, I didn't consciously think of that, but I don't know, maybe I subconsciously did.

Erin:

subconsciously been like, All right, what could the tie in be? It's

Tanya\:

so glad though, because

Erin:

No, I love it. It's, and it's a huge mug, too. It's like, I guess they had to put they had to put his big mug on this mug.

Tanya\:

He was, his smile was so big they had to make it,

Erin:

They're like, wait a minute, he doesn't usually smile. Let's,

Tanya\:

I love it. Yeah, my, my office cup is I've been wanting one of these from, because I think it's in from like season one in the office. It's pretty big as well and I actually got it at like five below when I was in Philadelphia, of all places so,

Erin:

I love Phi Below. Phi Below, I always feel like, Ah, I'm gonna just go in and get this and that. And then. Yeah, just like Target, but you feel like it's less because you're spending five dollars per thing,

Tanya\:

Right. I mean, it can still add up. You can still get a lot of stuff.

Erin:

like, oh, yeah, I need this journal, or I need this,

Tanya\:

Even though you throw it to the side. Well if you throw it to the side and it just collects

Erin:

Yeah, I'm looking at like three journals that I haven't. Done anything with, but they're pretty in front of

Tanya\:

yeah, They're there. They're eye candy.

Erin:

So I think like last week we had to take like a week break So now we're back to Kennedy's, but it gave me a little bit of time to read a very big book about the, it was very interesting and I do recommend it. It's called the Kennedy debutante and It told a little bit about the history of the Kennedys starting I think in like 1938 when they were in England and it was pretty interesting and it made me never want to learn anything else but this first and second generation I became very into it. It was very exciting and interesting.

Tanya\:

Yeah. You told me a lot of cool facts and things that you learned from that book and, you know, discovered your love of historical fiction. And even though it's an accurate picture Of the Kennedys, it's just kind of creatively expanded, I guess, but I, and so we decided we were talking about it so much and we were like, why don't we just continue talking about the second generation, you know, first and second generations, because It's just, they're interesting. There's so much that's happened to them and we also wanted to fill in the gaps from a couple of things that we talked about last week just for people that are, you know, maybe wondering or, you know, just, didn't really want to research, but maybe just wanted to come take a listen to us. So yeah, so you discovered some really cool facts about a lot of them and a lot of the dynamics and everything. What was, what were some of the things that kind of stood out to you?

Erin:

well, I think some of it I thought was pretty interesting was Rose Kennedy, the matriarch of the family. How she seemed to be very, it was very important to her that her children looked and weighed a certain a certain amount and Were at a certain number, I guess she would have, she would weigh her children every day and because not only did they have to look a certain way, but she wanted them to weigh a certain amount so that they also looked, More important, more fancy. And teeth were another thing that were very important. Because we always joke about the Kennedy smile, but It was super important for her that their teeth looked a certain way.

Tanya\:

Oh, so, so Rose was kind of instrumental in that, kind of perception and that giving off the right image, the Kennedy image, and she really enforced that in some really strict ways, it sounds like. So she was kind of the enforcer, maybe. Behind the scenes, but it sounds like it was a pretty, pretty rough upbringing

Erin:

Yeah, I mean, like part of the book and I've read some other stuff, thanks to Google

Tanya\:

Google's our friend.

Erin:

that I guess like up until most of the kids were 10 for one of the punishments, she would lock them in the closet, or she would hit them with wire hangers, you know, kind of the whole mommy dearest thing. Exactly. Bye. It's very it seemed like it was kind of a very authoritative disciplinarian.

Tanya\:

definitely. And that's not something that I'm not sure is well known, right? Like it's not a very well known, and maybe it just hasn't been something I didn't know about that. And it's not really something that kind of floats around a lot. But I do wonder with you, you had mentioned that Joe Sr. was kind of, seemed to be a little more compassionate on some things,

Erin:

Yeah, especially with Kick, you know, because the book I read was a lot about about her and her, you know, and her relationship with her family and going out of the Catholic church. It very interesting, It did sound like he had a tender side and was a little bit more compassionate, at least to her To Kathleen.

Tanya\:

so it may be that, you know, there was this driven image, maybe from the two, you know, senior Kennedys, Rose and Joe Sr., they each kind of drove it in very different ways, and maybe there was, you know, I'm not sure, but maybe there was compassion on Rose's part as well in different areas. I'm not sure if the book went into that maybe not. I don't know, but it was kind of like they were both driving for particular, um, outcomes on their, in their own ways.

Erin:

And it seemed like her compassion really was, like, I think she showed her love by, you know, if she would have taken the love language test

Tanya\:

love

Erin:

language would have been gifts because she was very much into buying. New clothes or perfumes or toys or so she's very much into gifts for her children

Tanya\:

I love that you took her into the, like a test for love language. What is your love language? I'm

Erin:

My love language is actually gifts. I love to purchase things And I guess I love to receive too because I love my mug And but I do I find that I like to buy stuff for people What about you? What is your love language?

Tanya\:

I have, I've gotten different results at different points in my life, but I I did, I used to get just words of affirmation. That was kind of primarily mine, but I have recently gotten a tie between quality time and giving gifts. So I don't know, it's kind of evolved a little bit. Maybe that's just because as we evolve, maybe it changes a little, and depending on The relationship you're in, you know, so one, one test I took was pre my husband and one was after so

Erin:

I feel like I need to retake it too. I don't know what mine is with receiving, but I know I like to give too, it would be interesting to take it again. It is a good test. Like, so those that are wondering, what are you talking about? The love languages? There's

Tanya\:

oh, yeah, we probably should explain it

Erin:

there's a book. I can't even think of who, who is the author right now, but

Tanya\:

Man I have it on my bookshelf too. It's uh, I know this.

Erin:

but there is like, if you go on lovelanguages. com

Tanya\:

Oh, yeah,

Erin:

There is a there is a, I was going to say Coveley, but that's not he's something else.

Tanya\:

Chapman Gary Chapman

Erin:

yep, that would be it. but it's, they want you to know, like, what are your five love languages. Words of affirmation, acts of service, receiving gifts, quality time, and physical touch. A lot of times couples, or even, Parent and child, they may have the same or they may have different, and that's why a lot of times you're like, Oh, they don't get me, or why don't they understand, or why don't they love me? It's because maybe they're not receiving it the way You're giving it. So maybe Rose, going back to the Kennedys.

Tanya\:

I took us out of it,

Erin:

I mean I did too though. I totally, but maybe

Tanya\:

love how you did that, though. How you like, were like, Hey, this might be her love language. I think that's really cool.

Erin:

but it might be, I mean, it might, you know, like

Tanya\:

Yeah, no, it sounds

Erin:

on the next episode, we're gonna figure out every Kennedy's love language.

Tanya\:

Oh

Erin:

Stay tuned.

Tanya\:

We might... We might, I don't know people, we might, you might have to look out

Erin:

might, this might be a Kennedy. Hold on. I need a drink.

Tanya\:

yeah. You need a, you need some James Spader. Refresh your palate, you know.

Erin:

I was, I can't see it. It's just. You just see James kind of sneaking in for a

Tanya\:

just creeps

Erin:

It looks like he's trying to kiss me. Heheheheh.

Tanya\:

it's perfect! I love it so much, oh my gosh. Oh, geez Yeah, so we're, so maybe, or maybe, you know, we might we'll let you know, you know, you'll you'll be able to see, but I, that is definitely an interesting topic. I, I think that's really cool.

Erin:

yeah, so it's, yeah, you do wonder though, I mean, like, if, you know, with the whole family, like, it's how, Like, I forget what the article was that we read, but had said something about, like, how one generation, like this family, like, the first generation, the second generation how much trauma and loss they had, so then that, that affects all the other, but this, like, within one, one family, They're, they had Rosemary you know, she had the lobotomy, and then she disappeared, then Kathleen died, Joe died, Bobby and JFK died. And so that's, you know, that's a lot of kids to lose.

Tanya\:

yeah, that's a lot of heartbreak. I mean, it doesn't, you know, doesn't matter if they were from a time where like you're, you might be a little, maybe not even, but like a little more used to, you know, like knowing that you're going to lose children still heartbreaking no matter what. And the circumstances of it too were all, like a lot of them were very tragic and,

Erin:

Yeah.

Tanya\:

not very common ways to die. And, you know, and I had. I don't know if I had mentioned last week, or if it was just when we were talking about the last surviving Kennedy of the second generation, that was, there actually is not one it was, Jean was the last surviving one, and she passed away in like 2020, so I I think I was reading an old article, Jean is actually, she's the second youngest, and I, from that article, I was remembering there was this whole thing about her because she's not, we talked about how she was not really well known, but She was appointed ambassador to Dublin to, to, yeah to help out with the Northern Ireland conflict and apparently, like, did a really great job and she was kind of the first to be active in politics in that way in the family, um, so she, and she also This article also touched upon her husband, Steve Smith, I believe, and he was like the chief of staff at the White House and how he was a well known womanizer, um, you know, And kind of his affairs were very much out in the open. I mean, he did not hide it. He would, like, have pictures with his, like, mistresses and, like, would be balancing one. Apparently, it was really controversial because one time he had a Protestant mistress and then a Jewish mistress and And I The Kennedy boys as in, you know, uh, John, Robert, and Ted, they all, like, publicly said they looked up to Steve because he was, like, so open with his,

Erin:

Affairs.

Tanya\:

like, you know, and they would give him, like, the thumbs up and would be like, you know and I don't, I mean, That's what a few articles said. I don't know the

Erin:

Yeah, well, what

Tanya\:

of that, but I

Erin:

it makes sense from what I've read to Joe senior was pretty open with his affairs and then

Tanya\:

really?

Erin:

and John F. Kennedy was, we all know about Marilyn Monroe and, you know, it's, I don't know how, I guess Bobby and Ted also had affairs to if they were

Tanya\:

Yeah. they were, they were, um, I think they were just a little more discreet than a Steve o there. But they apparently really admired that in him, and he, but they also said they admired, the brothers, like, admired his prowess And like political campaigns and he was a great advisor. He was really smart with like political stuff and which was kind of just a weird aside to also have in there, right? but, uh, I guess Jean people often would remark like, oh, poor Jean, you know, like they, like it was just, it was so out in the open and she just kind of was,

Erin:

it. Well, and also she was probably raised, you know, by, with her mother and father that, all right, you don't do anything, you're a Catholic. You can't get divorced because it's against the Catholic church. So you just kind of have to deal with it because for some reason, at least the way they viewed it, the guys are allowed to step out on their marriages and it's not going to affect them.

Tanya\:

Yeah. was very much kind of that, that boys club mentality. They did say that in the article, one of them, later on, that Jean did have an affair, I think she was, like, out of being, like, fed up, and was just kind of, like, you know, she wasn't, I don't think she was all, like, you know, letting people take pictures of her, but, I think there was, that was maybe her way to rebel, a little bit, you know, was to kind of say, hey, you know, if you can do it, I can do it, I mean, I don't know her motives, but, yeah, it definitely was kind of I guess that, that type of psychology, you know, even your own brothers are giving the thumbs up to your cheating, you know, uh, brother in law and, you know, despite the fact that your sister is hurt and, you know, very much affected by that, uh,

Erin:

What a dysfunctional family, isn't that? Like, just that's okay.

Tanya\:

yeah and applauded even, so, um. Yeah, that, that was definitely, I thought, that was really interesting with Jeanne, because she was one of the, you know, kind of lesser known. But she actually had a lot going on. and I did read that Patty or Patricia, she was like one of the first women to have a cooking show. So I don't know much about it. I couldn't really see much about it. But she definitely had some interesting stuff going on there. I mean that's pretty big, you know, to kind of be the first

Erin:

To put yourself out there, too, to.

Tanya\:

Yeah. And to be kind of in a little bit of a different sphere than everyone, right? You know, cooking show, that's kind of different

Erin:

Yeah, it is. It's

Tanya\:

politics than,

Erin:

Yeah, because you're gonna get dirty. You're putting your, you know, you're being vulnerable. It's,

Tanya\:

yeah. It's very creative. It's arts kind of, you know and entertainment and, you know, but, um, yeah, so those are just little, kind of blurbs that I read about those two, I just kind of thought was

Erin:

Yeah, that is very interesting. I didn't know that about them.

Tanya\:

but you had, I know in the book you had read a little more about Rosemary and And also kick, like some things with kick, some interesting points that were I thought were pretty

Erin:

Yeah, I know you mentioned the last episode about Rosemary with, having to have the lobotomy and what happened, but it sounds like the mother, Rose, had asked For some advice from kick from Kathleen to like, had she ever heard of this doctor? Like this is what the father is proposing to have a lobotomy to calm Rosemary down. I guess she was, you know, escaping school or escape in the convent to go to the bars. And you know, who knows if she was having sex or just hanging out with guys, but it wasn't what they wanted, you know, and she was in her twenties at this time. so Kik found found out some research about this person and she said that it was a well known psychiatric hospital in, like, around the Washington, D. C. area. And I guess even, like, Jung and some other people have, like, well known people worked there and did work there. But this doctor did lobotomies on people that were severely, you know, having psychosis and other things. And Kik told her mom, like, hey, this doesn't sound like it's something for Rosemary. She's just, you know, maybe we should get her married and get, you know, do something else to, you know,

Tanya\:

Yeah, not as drastic as, you know, snipping a cord between one part of your brain to the next.

Erin:

And I guess like the father said that, no, this is, you know, what we're going to do. And he talked to Rosemary about this apparently and told her, well, if you have the surgery. You'll be mellowed out a little bit and then you'll be able to get married and have children So he sold it to her like hey, this is like a you know, basically like he's giving her a value You know, like it's just like hey, you're going to be calmed down and then you could but after

Tanya\:

further, more further, from that.

Erin:

and then after the surgery happened the parents just told everybody like oh the surgery didn't go as planned She's going to be in the hospital a little bit longer and longer turned into You know They, I guess they, most everyone didn't see her until what, like the 60s and the surgery was in the 30s.

Tanya\:

Yeah, it was a while. And she, then she was in assisted living facilities and right after the surgery, like, she was not able to walk or talk or, she couldn't care for herself. I mean, she needed around the clock care because it disabled her that much. It was awful. But I guess she was able to regain some of that, but she could never really regain independent living.

Erin:

Yeah, and this was even when she was well and walking around and before the surgery, it sounds like the parents were very embarrassed of her. Wouldn't take her to any of the parties or they wouldn't really do too much because they didn't want other people to spend too much time with her and know That something was different about her.

Tanya\:

Right. And there's that Kennedy image again of, you know, kind of. You know, all going back to, you know, has to be the perfect weight, the perfect smile and, acceptable. so maybe to you know, Joe Kennedy and maybe Rose even, you know, that was considered that extreme behavior. It was so unacceptable that it was extreme enough that they said, no, this fits the bill. And,

Erin:

this'll do what we need. It'll be a quick fix.

Tanya\:

yeah,

Erin:

go back to our campaign and have, you know Joe Jr. at the time become president. And, you know, so they had a whole plan. Yeah, they had a whole plan of everything.

Tanya\:

And, you know, and I know we talked about, you know, the fact that they probably, of course they probably did not want her to, you know, uh, Rosemary to be as disabled as she was, unfortunately, after this surgery. I think they, they maybe were sold something else as well, or maybe there was something, you know, inherent in like the risk if you don't have someone who's done a lot of these surgeries. So I think maybe they did think it would alter her in a more positive light in their opinion, right? You know, positive behaviors. But at the same time to take that risk and it sounds like the risks were. known, right? That you know, that something could go wrong. It sounds like it was that important to them.

Erin:

Yeah, because it was, I think it was expressed, at least from their daughter, and maybe even they talked to the doctor, who knows if he what he said of what the risk were, but they had to, you would think that as a parent, you'd be like, okay, let me see what the people looked like that had this procedure before. Because I guess it was even known that the people were, you know they described it as like, just like a glass. You know, like they were glassy eyed and just not really themselves and...

Tanya\:

Yeah, completely devoid of, you know, their personality before. What their essence. What makes And, you know I just wonder I kind of wonder what maybe would have been if they had decided not to get this lobotomy and then maybe, you know, either try to kind of work with some of these behaviors or Maybe they would have ended up feeling like, oh, we have to send her away somewhere otherwise and kind of what. What those alternative, you know, universes might have been like, right? you Of course that's along the same line of saying like, I wonder what it would have been like if we could have stopped the assassination of JFK. You know, you don't really know, you know, could have changed so much, but. But yeah, that really is interesting because it does sound like from that, that Rosemary was aware and I mean, who knows if maybe she, she just kind of thought, well, okay, this sounds good. And then maybe I can kind maybe I can get away and kind of be with, you know, start my own life, you know, and not feel, you know, so, so kind of judged or criticized. And, oh, that's just that's so heartbreaking that you know, then it just completely disabled her.

Erin:

Yeah.

Tanya\:

And who knows if she was even maybe aware of that in the mind state that she was in afterwards, if she was aware of how she was before.

Erin:

Yeah.

Tanya\:

but yeah, there, there certainly is, you know that image to maintain. And I think that's what resonates throughout. The generations, and that's what becomes an active fight, maybe to go against in some generations, right? Of like we, we had talked about Saoirse Kennedy. She unfortunately committed suicide in 2019, I believe. She was a, fourth generation, she, she was very open about discussing mental health and was very open about the fact that she struggled with depression, she struggled with a lot of these issues and unfortunately she did, um, She did commit suicide because they were overwhelming and a lot of things overtook her. So it's kind of like these you know, you see in the later generation some of these demons still appearing, right? And how it's handled very differently, like Saoirse was Very open about it, you know and very wanted it to be known, even though it was difficult for her. And, ultimately, you know, the battle was lost here on earth, For her to, be able to survive it. So it, that's such a contrast,

Erin:

Yeah. I mean, because it's, you wonder too, like in the second generation or in the third and now the fourth, how many people have struggled with depression or anxiety or drug addiction and, or alcoholism. It's there. It just hasn't really been talked about. And I mean, like you, you look at the like the, you know, the behaviors and also even some of the deaths that you read about there was a lot of addiction and accidents and

Tanya\:

Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of, Links to maybe criminal behavior, you know, like acting out and everything, another Sign of, you know, something's wrong and, something's not going right. So there's been a lot of that. There's also been, you know, a lot of interesting stuff like in this, in the fourth generation with you people, uh, some of the, I wouldn't say kids, young adults, maybe, or, you know, adults, even because that's the age that they're at, um, kind of taking on these roles as, you know, in, in journalism and politics, as we would And, you know, maybe even taking their own route and who knows, maybe struggling with, you know, the association of being a Kennedy, or maybe benefiting, or maybe both. Maybe having a love hate relationship with

Erin:

Yeah. It was interesting. One of the articles that I think we read about the fourth generation, I forget whose family, which family it was, but they're not using the Kennedy name at all. Like it's begins with a S C H. I forget who it is. But they the family,

Tanya\:

Schloss Schlossberg? I'm butchering

Erin:

no I know who you're saying, but, Yeah, so they're, they don't even use the Kennedy name. Like you had to do, you would have to do a lot of research to be like, okay, these are just, you know, whoever they are.

Tanya\:

So some of them are even cutting ties completely. They just are like, snip, I don't want That legacy, I don't want what that brings. I wonder if that does involve... The money as well. I mean they're just not, they're like, well, you know, maybe You know, middle class, somewhat, but not as wealthy as people would think, so it's, you know, been kind of dwindling in that, but,

Erin:

Instead, but still, I mean, like, we have to figure out what is their definition of middle class. I mean

Tanya\:

yeah, right, that could be very, very different from our perception.

Erin:

I mean, like middle class for them might still begin a Harvard education paid for and it's not, it's a

Tanya\:

Yeah,

Erin:

but.

Tanya\:

And there's the richness of the network of having that name, but there's also.

Erin:

A

Tanya\:

Kind of the curse. right? Yeah, the Kennedy Curse associated with it, and that might be why the Schlossbergs, I'm saying that right are, you know, we're just like, you know what, the, that, that part of it, the curse outweighs the other parts,

Erin:

Yeah. And that is all of that's all of Caroline's kids, right? That's that

Tanya\:

yes,

Erin:

Those are so, which is very interesting because it was so important for Jackie to protect John and Caroline. So It makes sense then that she would then go by her married last name and

Tanya\:

a good point. That's a good point. So you definitely see Jackie's influence there. Wow. So that kind of, you know, sensing that and seeing that she passed that along, which is you know, kind of, I think something that served as like a protective measure for them. so Yeah, I mean there's a lot that we could go on and on even branch out to the love languages with the Kennedys. We you know, which I think is an amazing idea, but we

Erin:

Yeah I think it would. I mean, I seriously, there's what, like a million Kennedys we could just,

Tanya\:

yeah

Erin:

but I think for our viewers, they'll probably be like, okay, let's take a Kennedy break for a

Tanya\:

yeah, I think they might be, uh, getting kind of ready to move on to the

Erin:

It is very interesting though. I found, I did find after I read that book, I got stuck in a Kennedy loophole

Tanya\:

Mm

Erin:

wormhole type of thing, where it's like I started doing research on. Rose and then Rosemary. I think I told you I have like on the library reserve I have like the book about Rosemary the Patrick Kennedy's book. So

Tanya\:

you can go down a rabbit hole and like one string leads to another and it is really fascinating. It is something that You know, and like we talked about, you know your mother was, you know, kind of felt like she was related to them. You kind of questioned if you were related to them, you know, because there's such a, there's such a tie in knowing them, you know, and so

Erin:

but yeah, I mean like they well and also I could see her fascination. I mean my dad's mom and family was from like Newport, Rhode Island. She was my mom was from New York. My dad was from Boston. I could see my mom's like, oh wait The Kennedy's followed the same track

Tanya\:

yeah, Well, I mean, I could definitely see that with all the pictures. the the, like home pictures. Portraits of them.

Erin:

we'll do a podcast about my mom's insanity. No, I'm just kidding!

Tanya\:

we will definitely, yes, we will have to touch upon family family issues,

Erin:

How obsessions can be passed down each generation.

Tanya\:

Yes, that is definitely something to look forward to,

Erin:

Yeah, so, but, yeah, I hope you guys have all enjoyed learning about the Kennedys. I mean, I know we did say that we're going to talk more about the fourth generation, and I really want to eventually, like, one time, I do want to talk about, like, all that Patrick Kennedy has been open about since, like, 2006.

Tanya\:

Yeah, we will definitely do probably a whole segment on him because he has a lot and he's the mental health champion.

Erin:

yeah, he's pretty open, and I think he's pretty involved with NAMI, too, which would be, which is a pretty good organization for people with families and individuals with mental health illnesses.

Tanya\:

Yeah.

Erin:

So, yeah, so I guess we'll figure out what next is gonna bring us, and

Tanya\:

It'll be surprising and out of the blue and random, but we'll smack you with it, you know? And, uh, and if, you know, anything To add, make sure to hit the subscribe button, wherever it is.

Erin:

I do. I do wonder something. This is just foot up in the air. I wonder if the different generations if weight and Food relationship with food was passed down Like the a difficult relationship or if they had a positive relationship

Tanya\:

Yeah, if maybe it kind of created a a way to kind of learn about that and be around it. Yeah, I

Erin:

it is interesting because I was just thinking how you said Jean had a cooking show. So maybe she ended up having a was able to turn that into a, you know what, I'm going to have a positive relationship with food.

Tanya\:

that's true. Yeah, I guess there's always so much to dig in for the Kennedys. We can always return to them. And we probably will, we will, but we'll give you guys a little bit of a break and It will come back with some other interesting

Erin:

Some other, I was going to say pop culture, but I guess the Kennedys are always pop culture. Even 1938 is

Tanya\:

Oh yeah, they are a big part of it, definitely. but,

Erin:

it shapes, I think it shaped the U. S. and even England too. Like, part of, like, from what I read,

Tanya\:

oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely.

Erin:

Well, I know we're at time, so don't forget to like and subscribe.

Tanya\:

let us know what you think, let us know if there's anything you'd want us to expand upon, if you do like the love languages thing, if you're not into it. If you're into it in a different way, let us know anything in the comments. but we Hope that you had a good time and we, we learned a lot. We had a great time learning about Erin's family and

Erin:

Yes.

Tanya\:

but yeah.

Erin:

Right. Yep. All my uncles and aunts.

Tanya\:

So from that point we look forward to, uh, seeing you next week and we hope you take care.

Erin:

Yep. Have a great week. bye!

Tanya\:

Bye!

Thank you for watching. Bye!

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